Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag.

I have a feeling if he had broken and made the 10 ball, he would have been told that he was disqualified because you need to break and run the table :grin-square:
 
Take notice of where he says "If Raphael made A BALL you got paid ". Not if you made a money ball. This guy is a joke. He thinks he is a gangster. Since when does having an expensive watch and ring make you a good person? I have expensive watches too - I don't really know what it had to do with the situation. Anyway - you can see the character of the person that we are dealing with. Since he mentioned the Karate part of my life - I will say that he wouldn't be wise to start something physical with me. I have been training for 34 years and teach the Marine Corps each time I travel to Okinawa... Make up your own mind from all the info that I have provided you.

You guys really should have just talked on the phone. This texting over a disagreement is really not the way to settle issues. Also, this conversation was just banter, not at all productive. Neither made a coherent point.

Ps. I would like to add that anybody who needs to show their overpriced macho celebrity-pitched watch as proof of success really needs to see a shrink.
 
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In the Facebook IM's both people come across as believing they have been wronged by the other.

Unless more witnesses come forward this incident will not be resolved. However what this thread has done is establish a datapoint. If in the future more complaints come up, people might see a pattern.


Once a part-time church employee stole my son's iPod Touch. I felt I had strong evidence of who did it, but the evidence was of a technical nature so it was hard for someone else to follow. I submitted my evidence but didn't expect they would do much and they did not. But I wanted to establish the data point, so if anything else was stolen, the pattern would become clear.
 
I have never done facebook.

How did this work? Finnegan saw your posts on AZB and automatically knew who you were and how to find you on facebook and responded to you there?

You contacted him on facebook?

Are your posts on his page also?

Do you know each other?
 
Take notice of where he says "If Raphael made A BALL you got paid ". Not if you made a money ball. This guy is a joke. He thinks he is a gangster. Since when does having an expensive watch and ring make you a good person? I have expensive watches too - I don't really know what it had to do with the situation. Anyway - you can see the character of the person that we are dealing with. Since he mentioned the Karate part of my life - I will say that he wouldn't be wise to start something physical with me. I have been training for 34 years and teach the Marine Corps each time I travel to Okinawa... Make up your own mind from all the info that I have provided you.
That's where I draw the line. If this guy wants it to be physical, then here is a chance to really put up or shut up. Here is also a chance to win back your money plus some. If he is taking this too far, then why don't you challenge him to 5K and see what happens man to man. Have a third party hold the money and when a guy quits or gets KO'd, then the winner gets paid. How's that for action? Better pay out than a break and run, which by the way, at my place I think it's 10 ball. Make one ball on the break and keep shooting in order. You can quit anytime and collect or keep trying and lose everything if you miss. If no one makes a ball on the break, the pot continues to grow until next time. That's what I am familiar with.
 
I showed you the conversation in it's entirety. I could see it was not going anywhere productive.


Nuts4T,

I'm not trying to stir it up or anything :rolleyes: but if you were my kid I would make you go back to Steinway Billiards and whoop Finnegan's ass.
Who knows, you might even get considered for a spot on the show.


:smile:
 
Nuts4T,

I'm not trying to stir it up or anything :rolleyes: but if you were my kid I would make you go back to Steinway Billiards and whoop Finnegan's ass.
Who knows, you might even get considered for a spot on the show.


:smile:

He'd have to get in line behind Gary :eek:
 
Take notice of where he says "If Raphael made A BALL you got paid ". Not if you made a money ball. This guy is a joke. He thinks he is a gangster. Since when does having an expensive watch and ring make you a good person? I have expensive watches too - I don't really know what it had to do with the situation. Anyway - you can see the character of the person that we are dealing with. Since he mentioned the Karate part of my life - I will say that he wouldn't be wise to start something physical with me. I have been training for 34 years and teach the Marine Corps each time I travel to Okinawa... Make up your own mind from all the info that I have provided you.

I think you're overreacting. I just texted Raphael to get the scoop but one thing is for sure, Raphael is honest and doesn't screw anyone over. I'll see what he says about all this.
 
I love it - our first "The Hustlers" controversy! Imma gonna call TMZ Sports...

I dunno - I dont know much but Finnegan is a pretty well respected guy around the NYC pool scene - it seems to me anyways - what with running the tourneys for Tony [B]and what not[/B]

As someone who has been in the public eye in the past (thankfully not for my horrendous pool playing) - I have to say, it's a touch rank to come on here a year after the fact and do this all on AZB lol - like the OP couldn't have just simply facebook messaged him at some point to complain or whatever he needed to do?

Then, like the people's court, come on here after, if the OP couldn't have resolved this in private?

Him being on the show has nothing to do with this as the original incident happened a year ago - trying to address this now, now that the show is on, doesn't seem to make it any more pressing...lol

And sorry, again Im a touch lost, (and I know the chances to win more money are bigger) but is this really over the initial $20 put down? I don't mean to be insensitive the OP's sense of frustration, just trying to figure out the dollar amount initially put down

My advice to the OP - hey you had a great time in NY, you got to visit Steinway (which is indeed a great room), you and your wife had a great anniversary, so mission complete no? (Despite being short $20)



Anyways, back to the cheap seats ha

I still haven't figured out exactly what happened but I have a question. What is this "and what not" Finnegan is well respected for in New York?
 
Finnegan is known for running weekly tournaments. There are people who come to his tournaments just to wager. If you're looking, he can facilitate action.

I still haven't figured out exactly what happened but I have a question. What is this "and what not" Finnegan is well respected for in New York?
 
proof

About 60 seconds after I posted this original thread - Finnegan contacted me on Facebook messenger. I am on the billiards pages on there. My for sale posts match my AZ posts. That's the only way I figure he made the connection to who I was. His part of the discussion is on the left and the pictures - mine are on the right in blue.
 
About 60 seconds after I posted this original thread - Finnegan contacted me on Facebook messenger.

Hypothetical question coming now I know...


But.. you couldn't have simply found him the same way? Contacted him, issued your beef over facebook messenger and tried to work something out before going public?

Anyways, not taking sides but seems like a more measured way of dealing with it, so long after the fact, thats all I'm saying...

Cheers

And just so we have some context, to me, Bernie Madoff is a crook and a scumbag, not a guy running a local break and run ha - sorry not to be taking this all too seriously ha. But not trying to stir the pot either ha! Too late now maybe...lol
 
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You were happier as a black boar owner :)

LOL, however, it was too vulgar a display of excess.

By the way, a year is not too long to harbor a pool-related grudge. I hold mine 14 to 16 months.
 
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So this thread is still going huh

Take notice of where he says "If Raphael made A BALL you got paid ". Not if you made a money ball. This guy is a joke. He thinks he is a gangster. Since when does having an expensive watch and ring make you a good person? I have expensive watches too - I don't really know what it had to do with the situation. Anyway - you can see the character of the person that we are dealing with. Since he mentioned the Karate part of my life - I will say that he wouldn't be wise to start something physical with me. I have been training for 34 years and teach the Marine Corps each time I travel to Okinawa... Make up your own mind from all the info that I have provided you.

Hey listen, sorry for whatEVER happened, but I think your comment here proves to me that you might have an understanding problem, thus resulting in the latter.

The phrase you are referring too simply states that "if a ball was made that war rented you being paid then you were paid for it" (IF A BALL WAS MADE THEN "YOU GOT PAID". not yelling, highlighting)
Now you can go start a whole new thread on grammar and pountuation if you want but I saw that at first glimps and you know why cause he followed up with "ok so stop the lies". Typical radical stuff, leaving out other lines of the text to suit your cause.
Lick your wounds and move on, we've all been hustled in this game at one point or another and we're not out here starting threads.
 
About 60 seconds after I posted this original thread - Finnegan contacted me on Facebook messenger. I am on the billiards pages on there. My for sale posts match my AZ posts. That's the only way I figure he made the connection to who I was. His part of the discussion is on the left and the pictures - mine are on the right in blue.

I just spoke with Raph. You didn't get screwed at all, you just didn't know the rules and didn't bother to ask. It was a 10ball break and run, racked with 15 balls to make the break harder. He had to make a 1-10 on the break to cash and he didn't. Learn the rules before you freak out and put people on bast. Raphael is a good kid and would never screw anyone over. Not even a total stranger. As far as Finnegan goes, he pays when he loses and isn't going to hurt the rep of his tournaments over something like this.

I think you owe Finnegan a HUGE apology to be honest and while you're at it, you can apologize to Raphael as well.
 
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I just spoke with Raph. You didn't get screwed at all, you just didn't know the rules and didn't bother to ask. It was a 10ball break and run, racked with 15 balls to make the break harder. He had to make a 1-10 on the break to cash and he didn't. Learn the rules before you freak out and put people on bast. Raphael is a good kid and would never screw anyone over. Not even a total stranger. As far as Finnegan goes, he pays when he loses and isn't going to hurt the rep of his tournaments over something like this.

I think you owe Finnegan a HUGE apology to be honest and while you're at it, you can apologize to Raphael as well.


The crux of the problem is Nuts4Tascarella's insists the rack was 10 balls, not 15. I also believe now that the rack was 15 balls. Since the shape of a 10 ball rack is the same as a 15 ball rack, his mind said 10 when in fact it was 15. When he didn't get paid when he thought he should, well you know how that goes...

Nuts4Tascarellas, an entire pool room full of people would not conspire against you for $180. it's time to admit you made a mistake and just go ahead and trust the story and testimonials that have unfolded here. Please believe me that having trust and understanding in our fellow human is an asset and you will not go far in life, love or business without trusting people. While caution should always be exercised, trust should be the default mode, not the exception. Mistrust others and they will do the same to you.

Finnegan, by not recognizing this was just a misunderstanding, you handled this poorly. I hope you learned something from this in the way you deal with problems in the future.
 
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So I take it that all the balls above the ten balls are taken off the table after the break if a money ball is made?
 
The crux of the problem is Nuts4Tascarella's insists the rack was 10 balls, not 15. I also believe now that the rack was 15 balls. Since the shape of a 10 ball rack is the same as a 15 ball rack, his mind said 10 when in fact it was 15. When he didn't get paid when he thought he should, well you know how that goes...

Nuts4Tascarellas, an entire pool room full of people would not conspire against you for $180. it's time to admit you made a mistake and just go ahead and trust the story and testimonials that have unfolded here. Please believe me that having trust and understanding in our fellow human is an asset and you will not go far in life, love or business without trusting people. While caution should always be exercised, trust should be the default mode, not the exception. Mistrust others and they will do the same to you.

Finnegan, by not recognizing this was just a misunderstanding, you handled this poorly. I hope you learned something from this in the way you deal with problems in the future.

If I were a juror, and I'm not, I'd be voting with Tate. I do believe that NUTS believes or recalls that only 10 balls were racked, but that just doesn't seem likely.
 
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