Top Ten US 9/10 ball players

Actually, it subtracts from the discussion, for several reasons:



1) Includes bar table events, 2) includes one pocket events, 3) includes bank pool and even includes bank pool ring game. When figuring out who the best American 9/10 ball players, none of these events are relevant.


I would agree the money list isn't a true gauge for some reasons, and bar table events isn't one of the reasons.

If you saw the numbers you would be surprised how similar the best big table and best bar table rankings would be.


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Here is my personal list, in order, if they were to gamble today right at this moment in 10 ball on a 9' table. I'd bet on each match in order, but no, I wouldn't back any of them! lol.

1. Shane
2. Woodward
3. Deschaine
4. Archer
5. Corey
6. Stevie Moore
7. Daulton
8. Oscar
9. Bergman
10. Justin Hall

Rodney would eat atleast half that list up for big cash
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I would agree the money list isn't a true gauge for some reasons, and bar table events isn't one of the reasons.

If you saw the numbers you would be surprised how similar the best big table and best bar table rankings would be.

Yes, big table skills translate easily to the barboxes, except in the Northeast, where there are, pretty much, no bar table tournaments for pros. Barbox skills, however, only sometimes translate to the big tables.
 
Here is my personal list, in order, if they were to gamble today right at this moment in 10 ball on a 9' table. I'd bet on each match in order, but no, I wouldn't back any of them! lol.

1. Shane
2. Woodward
3. Deschaine
4. Archer
5. Corey
6. Stevie Moore
7. Daulton
8. Oscar
9. Bergman
10. Justin Hall

You'll need to change your name to "ilostevenmore"
 
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Rodney would eat atleast half that list up for big cash
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Agree 100%.

After SVB, Rodney Morris and Mike Dechaine are, perhaps, 2A and 2B in the American pecking order for rotation games. On my list, I put Mike #2 and Rodney #3 but it's that close.
 
Actually, it subtracts from the discussion, for several reasons:

1) Includes bar table events, 2) includes one pocket events, 3) includes bank pool and even includes bank pool ring game. When figuring out who the best American 9/10 ball players, none of these events are relevant.

So why is Skyler on your list when nearly all of his money comes this way? What has he ever done on a 9 footer in rotation to be included?
 
So why is Skyler on your list when nearly all of his money comes this way? What has he ever done on a 9 footer in rotation to be included?

I was impressed with Sky's play in the 2015 Derby City 9-ball event, in which he finished ninth in a field of about 400 on the big tables.
 
lol... Our lists have 7 out of 10 in common! There is no tweaking involved in what we do. And also no subjective judgment.

Several mentioned woodward, sossei, Oscar, and hall. These are all within the next 12, and once again players get pretty close there. The highest-rated unmentioned player is Josh Roberts.

Great stuff. Keep it up
If we base on past performances , I would take your list

I would also take sjm and Atlarge lists. Simply cos you guys mentioned facts and stats

I would gjve some weight not much prizemoney lists cos it is incomplete and numbers are skewed especially in those one to one matches where each player puts up same amount and his own money is included in the prizemoney

Most other lists by others here are just subjective personal opinions or rooting for their own boys or pulling rabbits out of hats not supported by facts and stats

Ok I better get meself a bullet proof vest :grin:
 
Bartram is number 21, but he's only 12 points behind #10 (Deuel)--12 points is only one game on the wire to 13--so it's pretty close quarters up there.

A lot of these folks can make one another sweat--we're talking about who elicits more sweat more often...

21 on your list ?
Or money list ?
I don't bel I have played a tourney all year .
 
Was a good thread first two pages and then the rubbish began

Now we got frost daulton Bartram Moore Hennessee shuff in the mix

I mean come on most the guys on common lists haven't won a major trophy

EU can field almost full list of world champions

To get close we need to elininate the glamorous short stops such as above mentioned
 
Was a good thread first two pages and then the rubbish began

Now we got frost daulton Bartram Moore Hennessee shuff in the mix

I mean come on most the guys on common lists haven't won a major trophy

EU can field almost full list of world champions

To get close we need to elininate the glamorous short stops such as above mentioned

The above guys short stops
Shows what you know about pool .
 
Here is my personal list, in order, if they were to gamble today right at this moment in 10 ball on a 9' table. I'd bet on each match in order, but no, I wouldn't back any of them! lol.

1. Shane
2. Woodward
3. Deschaine
4. Archer
5. Corey
6. Stevie Moore
7. Daulton
8. Oscar
9. Bergman
10. Justin Hall

If they were to gamble the way you have yours in order
I would give you plenty of action .
 
If they were to gamble the way you have yours in order
I would give you plenty of action .

You make me curious Bartram, what would your list look like? It seems like you would have to be more qualified than most folks on this thread when it comes to ranking the top players.
 
21 on your list ?
Or money list ?
I don't bel I have played a tourney all year .

Yes we don't have much for you this year Chris: Bigfoot Challenge and Music City is all... Overall though, we have 1819 games that you played against many opponents... and these games have diminishing importance to you rating the older they are
 
Yes we don't have much for you this year Chris: Bigfoot Challenge and Music City is all... Overall though, we have 1819 games that you played against many opponents... and these games have diminishing importance to you rating the older they are

Wow sounds like a lot of work .
I guess some are gambling matches ?
 
Wow sounds like a lot of work .
I guess some are gambling matches ?

Yes, sir. A lot of work.

Some publicized gambling matches are in there, but it's mostly tournament matches ---for you, lots of US Opens (9-ball, 10-ball, 8-ball...), Hard Times, Ultimate 10-ball, Carolina Open, Texas Open, Seminole, Southern Classic, etc...

It considers how you did against every opponent,
how each of those opponents did against each of their opponents,
how the opponent's opponents did...
and everything is coupled together in an optimal way... every day.

think chess ratings on steroids...
 
lol... Our lists have 7 out of 10 in common! There is no tweaking involved in what we do. And also no subjective judgment.

Several mentioned woodward, sossei, Oscar, and hall. These are all within the next 12, and once again players get pretty close there. The highest-rated unmentioned player is Josh Roberts.

Your system seems damn good -Interesting too- do you have a site i can visit to see the whole shebang?

SVB
DeChaine
Morris
Archer
Corey
J Hall
Hatch
Sky
Sossei
Putnam

edited- forgot about Hatch

PS-what ever happened to Jessie Engle?
 
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Mike has more info than this that he can give but here is a start for you http://www.fargobilliards.com/pool-tournaments/fargo-ratings/. On the local level I have the third most games 4441 ( just 8 ball). He has well over a million games from players all over the world in the system. That is a huge spiderweb of games.

Last time I talked to Jesse he isn't playing as much


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There are not to many people going to Florida looking for Donnie Mills. Also not many people in the USA get up to play Shane, not matter what the rack rules are. He may not get around the USA and play in many tournaments. But, that does not take away the fact that he would shoot holes threw several people on these lists if they where playing rotation pool for money. What other americans have beat Warren Kiamco even for the cash besides maybe the top 3 or 4 players. I know he knows how to rack the balls, but you still have to run out. What he finish 3rd in the US Open one year?

It was never said list was of top 10 cash players or top 10 Tournament players. With that being said.

Donnie Mills would have to be on my top 10 List.
 
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