And like always they make very little sense and not even remotely funny.
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And like always they make very little sense and not even remotely funny.
Ralf got the blame for the 2014 fiasco and then Ko was strong armed into playing Shane. "Play or go home with nothing."
Put me in coach!
You need to look into it. You're wasting your talent on the wrong projects. You need an agent to get you there. When you hit the big time, I want a jelly roll. :thumbup:
Seems like you aren't really understanding what happened. I don't see Ozzy as twisting anything, but you seem to be. Of course Sky didn't intentionally want to hurt CSI at the outset. However, once it was explained to him that his actions would hurt CSI, and was asked to hold the match for a mere few hours, then if he didn't wait, it would be intentionally hurting CSI. And, at that point, once Sky would have intentionally hurt CSI, actions would be taken.
I really don't see what everyone is getting so worked up about. A problem arose, and it was handled. Everyone got what they wanted. Sky just had to take a 3 hour break, big deal. Gave him time to get his head together, recharge, and come back full speed. Same with his opponent.
Seems like some just want to find a villian in every situation on here. Even when there isn't one.
As far as the Mosconi Cup, why anyone makes it out to be a big deal is beyond me. It's an entertainment show. Why should Sky care about that tournament when he was playing for more than he could win at the Cup? Honor of being on the team went out the window a couple of years ago. And you do know that story that everyone keeps hiding under the rug.
For those of us not on FB, a screen shot or a few quotes would be appreciated.
Lou Figueroa
Mosconi cup points
Did Skyler even earn any Mosconi Cup points from the US Open 8 & 10 Ball that he was going to be barred from? Where does he stand in terms of Mosconi Cup points?
Did Skyler even earn any Mosconi Cup points from the US Open 8 & 10 Ball that he was going to be barred from? Where does he stand in terms of Mosconi Cup points?
Neil - I understand fully. Ozzy is placing the blame on anyone or anything besides himself. He has no respect for the players (see his Facebook posts for further examples) and no respect for the people that put their money up to make the Oscar/Sky match happen. Who cares if these guys are playing for as much money as was added to the entire event he is running. He has a stream to show of a challenge match that wasnt marketed correctly so he is worried about viewership.
Yes I understand that players were in Vegas for the CSI event and wouldn't have been there otherwise. But without action matches in a pool players life, players couldn't afford to go to events. And without action at events, they are not cost effective to go to either. With the action this past year, players will come next year. That is what made it a success if you want to know the truth. It's like a mini DCC. Unfortunately the action was taken to a pool room. Maybe Ozzy could concentrate on correcting that.
Hell Oscar CASHED in the 8 ball event and got back less than his entry fee.
Maybe Ozzy also need to concentrate on looking at his payout structure then trying to hand out a biscuit to a player. And I'm not saying that $30k overall added isn't nice but the payouts of the money are faulted.
Re read his response. Intentionally was used over and over and not in the way you initially have understood.
Yes I understand that players were in Vegas for the CSI event and wouldn't have been there otherwise. But without action matches in a pool players life, players couldn't afford to go to events. And without action at events, they are not cost effective to go to either. With the action this past year, players will come next year. That is what made it a success if you want to know the truth. It's like a mini DCC. Unfortunately the action was taken to a pool room. Maybe Ozzy could concentrate on correcting that.
Hell Oscar CASHED in the 8 ball event and got back less than his entry fee.
Maybe Ozzy also need to concentrate on looking at his payout structure then trying to hand out a biscuit to a player. And I'm not saying that $30k overall added isn't nice but the payouts of the money are faulted. Re read his response. Intentionally was used over and over and not in the way you initially have understood.
Very good question. Anyone know the answer to this offhand?
See the problem now?
Skyler earned 12 points from the US open 10b and 8b.
Getting invited to the MC is an automatic minimum 10K payday.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403069&page=3
Getting invited to the MC is an automatic minimum 10K payday.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403069&page=3
That's a good point Lou. There has always been a voyeuristic interest in players "putting it on the line."
There has emerged an important distinction, though. It used to be the audience was secondary to what was going on. Now, with pay-per-view internet streaming, the audience is primary...
It used to be whispers of "what are they playing for?". Now the $20K event--or $40k in the middle because it sounds better--is the hook to get the audience.
It doesn't matter if the PLAYERS aren't playing for $20K. Hell, it doesn't even matter if the two backer groups have a saver for three fourths of the purse. What matters is you can entice viewers by saying these players are matching up for big money.
I for one love the idea of big matchups but am uncomfortable with the big money aspect for a variety of reasons.
I would prefer to see a split of the gate/subscription fees between promoter and players, and for the players' portion to be split 60/40 or 70/30 or whatever between winner and loser.
Keep the whispering behind-the-scenes "investors" with big wads of cash out of it, imo. We don't want our top players to have conflicting incentives and conflicting forces and who knows what else.
And for the record, drawing the ball in a key match of the Mosconi Cup, with everybody watching, including your teammates as well as the detractors who didn't think you should be on the team, is, I'm guessing, as hard as it gets.
If that is what he was asking, I believe that the Mosconi Cup and its guaranteed payday of $10,000 is great for tournament soldiers, those who travel the globe and those who are categorized as "professional" tournament competitors. It's a nice feather in their cap and looks great on their pool portfolio.
Though I do not know Skyler, it may be that the money won is sweeter than tin cups and bragging rights. An action player will pocket more money in action than being a tournament soldier with all the associated fees and costs to travel to globe to keep up with the European and Asian Joneses.
So you have your tournament soldier and your action player. Two different animals. I'm not sure which one Skyler wants to be when he blossoms to a full-blown topnotch competitor in pocket billiards, able to play all games on any size equipment.
WOW this is a dandy of a response... Massive amounts of ignorance in your post. Where do I begin?
Skylar was gambling for a lot of money, playing a race to 100... He was doing what was best for him and what he thought gave him the best chance to win. How do you not understand that?
This is just a stupid thing to say... I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm guessing you've never played for more than $15. As soon as you get in stroke you have to take a THREE HOUR BREAK and now you just get tired... lol
You do realize the players on the Mosconi Cup team get paid rather handsomely to be part of the production, right? I believe the winning team gets $15,000 per player and losing team $10,000 per player. Yea, not sure why anyone really wants to be part of that...
Skylar was gambling for a lot of money, playing a race to 100... He was doing what was best for him and what he thought gave him the best chance to win. How do you not understand that?
This is just a stupid thing to say... I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm guessing you've never played for more than $15. As soon as you get in stroke you have to take a THREE HOUR BREAK and now you just get tired... lol
You do realize the players on the Mosconi Cup team get paid rather handsomely to be part of the production, right? I believe the winning team gets $15,000 per player and losing team $10,000 per player. Yea, not sure why anyone really wants to be part of that...
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This is where you and others make the mistake in this entire situation. The audience and the pay per view don't matter one iota. They should NEVER be primary. Total disregard for that is what caused the issue here. Ray don't want to stream for 3 hours - go right ahead. But the match should have kept on.
Woodward had 25 points before those two events, and was in 5th place. For finishing 13th-16th in the US Open 10-Ball, he got 4 MC points. For finishing 7th-8th in the US Open 8-Ball, he got 7 MC points.
That gives him a total of 25 + 4 + 7 = 36 points now, tied for 2nd.
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