WWYD: Push out to where?

Bob Jewett said:
I suspect you misunderstood Pat's diagram. It shows both the push out and the following one-rail kick. The push out is in solid lines and ends up behind the 5 ball. The one-rail kick that follows is shown in dashed lines.

FWIW, I also though PJ had lost his mind (or what little is left of it:wink:) or was joking when I first saw his post: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5269142&postcount=7

It is an interesting style of move if you are trying to con your opponent. You make a "mistake" that forces you to play a "lucky" shot. You beat your opponent by stumbling through the rack with mistakes and lucky shots. I think my shot after the 1 ball would be to bump the 4 ball while making the 2 in the corner and "trying" to go three cushions for the 3. I'd be sure to move the 4 over to the side rail by the pocket. Lots of possibilities in this rack.
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There is no push out or 1 rail kick in the post I saw, just a diagram of a 5 rail kick from the place he could push out from or play safe.
 
Yeah, I am with everyone else here, this is time for a safety, not a pushout.

The ability to get the cueball behind the 6 is definitely there coming thin off the left hand side of the 1 and coming three rails around between the 8 and 6-ball. If you do not quite get there at worst you leave a lot of distance on a pretty tough pot and shape on the 2 will not be a given due to the 3-ball.

There is also a fairly easy safety thinning the 1-ball on the right onto the long rail and coming two rails around to the long rail behind the 5-ball. You just have to miss the 3-ball with the cueball. If you hit this shot at all well the chance of selling out completely is very low, you would really have to blow this shot to leave a straight forward pot.

Pushout is not the shot here at all.
 
wayne said:
There is no push out or 1 rail kick in the post I saw, just a diagram of a 5 rail kick from the place he could push out from or play safe.
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It was a diagram of a two-rail kick as his push and a second diagram of a 1-rail kick for the shot with another two rails (one while hitting the ball, one after) for shape.

Nobody else saw a 5-railer.
 
I'd push to up the table such that the cue bad is exactly the same distance from the rail as the 1 is ... about as far up as the 8.

Then hope they give the shot back to me and then I'll shoot the 1 rail first wit left and spin the 1 in.... I'll make that shot 90% from there.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
It was a diagram of a two-rail kick as his push and a second diagram of a 1-rail kick for the shot with another two rails (one while hitting the ball, one after) for shape.

Nobody else saw a 5-railer.
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Bob Jewett saw it and posted it in his response to me. The 5 railer is the only shot that shows up for me in PJ's post (Bob Jewett also thought he lost his mind.) See Bob Jewett post 58 for a picture of the shot.
 
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wayne said:
Bob Jewett saw it and posted it in his response to me. The 5 railer is the only shot that shows up for me in PJ's post (Bob Jewett also thought he lost his mind.) See Bob Jewett post 58 for a picture of the shot.
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Seriously. Look at it again and read the post.

The SOLID WHITE LINE is what he would do for the pushout. It is 2-rails to up table from the 5.

He then says that he would single-rail kick along the DOTTED LINE to make the 1. After hitting the one and the rail at or near the same moment, the cueball would hit the final rail of the five-rail shot you imagine seeing.
 
Hmm, call me crazy but I would push the CB towards the 9, no need for a crazy 4 or 5 cushion shot, too unpredictable for me, neither hide the CB behind any ball, all you're doing with that is slow the game down, I would live it open and make sure opponent can see the 1 ball, to make him think about shooting it and getting it out of there, I don't believe in clustering balls, will make it more difficult for me to run the table.
 
ktrepal85 said:
You just made the 7 on the break. The 1 is froze. You decide to push out. Where do you push out to give yourself the best chance of winning?

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genuino said:
Hmm, call me crazy but I would push the CB towards the 9, no need for a crazy 4 or 5 cushion shot, too unpredictable for me, neither hide the CB behind any ball, all you're doing with that is slow the game down, I would live it open and make sure opponent can see the 1 ball, to make him think about shooting it and getting it out of there, I don't believe in clustering balls, will make it more difficult for me to run the table.
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Well, I'm gonna ask of you the same question I asked the OP....
....WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PUSH?
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Wwyd?

I'm with 2Strong4U... no push. Safe, thin the one on the left side, send the rock three rails behind the six... if you froze it on the six, your opponent has a bad kick... probably sell out.

If I HAD to push, I'd roll out to the rail near the nine... opponent might be tempted to try the thin cut, maybe sell out. If he gives it back, you can bank the one back into the five, or play the above safety. If he somehow makes the one, he's got to have great speed to get shape on the two.

I don't like freezing two object balls together on a push... comes back to haunt you when you have to play the breakup.

Efren would just kick the one in and get perfect on the two.
 
I would shoot directly at the 1 ball with draw. The double kiss would bring the cue ball back to the 5 and the 1 ball would move a few inches toward the 4.
 
Island Drive said:
You got a bet, but only if your playing shape to get on the two. Hitting that ball at speed to get on the two, is waaaaaaaaay to risky.
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I'm a big risk taker - online! :thumbup:
P.S. I will admit it's a lot harder kick shot being on the rail. If it was slightly off the rail almost any pro would shoot at it, using medium speed to get up above the two ball for an easy run out.
 
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pt109 said:
Well, I'm gonna ask of you the same question I asked the OP....
....WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU PUSH?
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
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Simple, I don' want to risk it with a kick, push CB towards the 9, leaving enough room for me to cut the one ball to the corner in the event I get the shot back, we all have different favorite shots, then run the table without clusters :).
 
jay helfert said:
I'm a big risk taker - online! :thumbup:
P.S. I will admit it's a lot harder kick shot being on the rail. If it was slightly off the rail almost any pro would shoot at it, using medium speed to get up above the two ball for an easy run out.
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eastcoast_chris said:
I'd push to up the table such that the cue bad is exactly the same distance from the rail as the 1 is ... about as far up as the 8.

Then hope they give the shot back to me and then I'll shoot the 1 rail first wit left and spin the 1 in.... I'll make that shot 90% from there.
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The one can be cut in from where the balls sit. Rail first bottom left and the five is there to stop the cue ball from scratching. I set it up and made it three times in a row. So a high percentage shot for anyone that has practiced it.
 
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