Best "Affordable" 4th Axis

[gio-XZero]

Just to be clear TW, what does spending more for a Clearpath driven system over Leadshine get you?
Thanks.
I sure hope DZ made the right decision.

Hi Joey,

I see people buying cheap Ebay knock off leadshine motor kits and doing great work for complete kit $200 and that's for everything . Then i never gave it a thought that he might need to use the motor choice he uses. He needs them to cover up as he don't have the talent to be able to do stuff without them. Kinda like a child having to have teddy bear or blanket .I don't really know?

They might think Leadshine is cheap,
Leadshine is a manufacture ,they don't sell to end user.
Other company is a end user seller only and do not make their products.

As stated below about single power supply, They all can use just one power supply.
To bad i was drinking coffee when reading it and almost chocked and fell on floor laughing.Need new shirt now. Again its kinda like fear mongering people to choose what he think they need. But Leadshine also has built in 100v/220v power supply to their drivers for easyservo if you choose.


As far a DZ , his talents are unreal. If you look at all his videos their all so easy to follow and again truly professional and zero attitude .I have and a few friends have watched them all in trying to design a complete machine that does everything on pool cues. Bob without a doubt could have just got the MX4660 ( BUILT IN CONTROLLER AND 4 DRIVERS AT 6 AMP ALL IN ONE ) and 650oz steppers complete for $450 and DO the same job and spending what $3500. For me its like an honor for me that he has my machine, just like all the other people that have them.Their work is just great .

I asked the give some info on the motor choice they choose in a BLDC motor , But none have stated anything truly technical . I thought LGSM3 was going to shed some info on them and info on Leadshine, but i guess he didn't want to reply.

 

[gio-XZero]

Frankly, I'm not convinced you do spend more. Miss Geo wants to compare Leadshine motors directly to Clearpath motors, but with Clearpath you need only a single power supply (as little as $35, depending on the size of your motors and what you want to do with them) and a breakout board (I've got a couple of nice little machines running on a modified $14 board (!)). Meanwhile, the Leadshine motors require separate drivers and other control hardware that I think Miss Geo is conveniently not adding in when making the $$ comparison.

But regardless of relative price, I am so thoroughly UNimpressed with Miss Geo that I would automatically reject any recommendation from that camp, just on general principles.

TW

With built in Controller , drivers All in one
MX3660 X 3 297oz motor x48v power supply $350
with 650oz and 60v $420
MX4660 x 3 297oz motor x 48v power supply $450
with 650oz and 60v $520
Prices also is with shipping and only with XZero machine

3 x Easyservo 282oz x 60v power supply $670
3 x Easyservo 1133oz x 60v power supply $975
3 x Easyservo 1133oz x 110v/220v $1100 no power supply needed
10 meter power and encoder cable $ 45 so you can properly put your components in enclosure.

 

[gio-XZero]

I asked what would be so great to have for advertising calling yourself the stepper killer?
It is a completely different technology ,why point at something that is not the same. Thats the first tip off.

Kind of like a UFC fighter with his slogan
The Grade 3 killer. lol
OR
Formula 1 racing team with slogan , The Nascar killer

 

[Thomas Wayne]

I asked what would be so great to have for advertising calling yourself the stepper killer?
It is a completely different technology ,why point at something that is not the same. Thats the first tip off.

Kind of like a UFC fighter with his slogan
The Grade 3 killer. lol
OR
Formula 1 racing team with slogan , The Nascar killer

That's funny, Miss Geo. You funny, funny gal.

I know that you're not very good with the English language, so I wonder if you realize that "Raptor" - in our language - refers primarily vultures and buzzards. Those are birds of prey who often feed on the carcasses of dead animals.

And "Predator"? Well, that's kind of how I see you - a sneaky creature preying on the ignorance (and wallets) of your unsuspecting victims. As for "Demon"... well, that's just plain evil now, isn't it?

But then, what's in a name, after all? Seems kind of petty to even bring it up... don't you think?

TW

 

[scdiveteam]

Information about Leadshine and it's founder:

http://www.leadshine.com/Company.aspx?type=company_profile

Info on their Stepper Drivers:

http://www.leadshine.com/producttyp...sors&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives

Info on their 2 phase Stepper Motors:

http://www.leadshine.com/producttyp...r-products&producttype=2-phase-stepper-motors

Info on their 3 phase Stepper Motors:

http://www.leadshine.com/producttyp...r-products&producttype=3-phase-stepper-motors

Easy Servos Motors:

http://www.leadshine.com/category.aspx?type=products&category=easy-servo-products

Servo Products:

http://www.leadshine.com/category.aspx?type=products&category=servo-products


JMHO,

Ricky

Your honor, It is clear and the evidence is in that Leadshine is a ISO Certified Global Manufacturer that supplies many products. All of the knock off companies copy Leadshine Products and Medical and High Tech Companies use Leadshine in their products. George is bringing information and products to this forum that will save CMs a lot of money and he has hundreds of happy customers to back it up the reliability. We move to have this court elevate George to a highly recognized Cult Status here on AZ because is is a great guy just trying to tell the truth concerning his experience. I think we will see a sea change in the creative designs from many CMs in the future. George is opening up the floodgates and the horses are out of the barn it seems. No more huge investments for CNC plant equipment!
Viva El George!!!!

 

[Thomas Wayne]

Boy, Rick, you sure got a thing for that Raymond Burr fella!

TW

 

[RBC]

George

I just might like to try the Easy Servo.

What would you recommend for my inlay machine.

XZero Raptor (older version from a few years ago)
4 axis, X Y Z A
10mm pitch ball screws
800 ipm rapid speeds
Real actual step resolution of .00006", max (to allow for following error and be in position)
4 inputs for home switches
4 inputs for motor fault signals
8 inputs for spindle amplifier signals for ATC (4 for each of 2 spindles)
5 outputs to control relays or solenoids for spindles, vacuum, dust collection etc.

I would prefer to have 4mhz pulse input frequency, but as I understand it, this controller is 2mhz. This would be fine as long as I can reach the rapids necessary with the required resolution.


You can PM me with pricing if you wish, or post it here. I have the links to the leadshine products, so I can get the technical details there. I just need to know which ones you recommend and offer. Also, since I don't find any break out boards or other peripherals, I'll need links to those components so I can find the necessary technical data to hook it all up.

As I've said before, I just want to know more about the leadshine. Since there's no information about them here, and I can only read the limited technical data on their website, I thought it would be best to test them myself. I can then report back how well they do.

I look forward to your response.

Royce

 

[scdiveteam]

Boy, Rick, you sure got a thing for that Raymond Burr fella!

TW

To nominate George to Cult status here on AZ one needs a little legal help to infom the Judge.

Who Better than Perry Mason to present the evidence, Right?

 

[LGSM3]

As far a DZ , his talents are unreal. If you look at all his videos their all so easy to follow and again truly professional and zero attitude .I have and a few friends have watched them all in trying to design a complete machine that does everything on pool cues. Bob without a doubt could have just got the MX4660 ( BUILT IN CONTROLLER AND 4 DRIVERS AT 6 AMP ALL IN ONE ) and 650oz steppers complete for $450 and DO the same job and spending what $3500. For me its like an honor for me that he has my machine, just like all the other people that have them.Their work is just great .

Bob shows great examples of personality traits in which you would highly benefit from if willing.

You see, 3 months ago Bob knew nothing more about CNC than simple user interface. Breaking open a control cabinet or implementing any sort of electronics was a seemingly overwhelming proposition.

However, his humility and willingness to learn is what produced the machine and end result of which you hold in such high regard.

Initially he sought out wise council, listened, and then followed that up with his own research and opinion of EVERYTHING available.

Yes, he spent a little more than he would have with just buying a plug and play 4 axis stepper kit for 5-600 bucks but now has an industrial strength foundation that will not only last the life of the machine, but allow expansion of the system to literally whatever his heart desires without replacing any of the main components. But without a doubt he could not have had such a robust machine if he chose the plug and play setup.

You know George, 3 months ago all the guys in this thread who you are twisted up with now.....they were all advocates and supporters of your machine and very much hoped you would succeed in an almost impossible market. Your close minded attitude unfortunately dictates that your market will remain in the hobby world. Too bad really because you have a nice foundation which could be built upon to really creep into a strong position in the industrial world.

 

[LGSM3]

George

I just might like to try the Easy Servo.

What would you recommend for my inlay machine.

XZero Raptor (older version from a few years ago)
4 axis, X Y Z A
10mm pitch ball screws
800 ipm rapid speeds
Real actual step resolution of .00006", max (to allow for following error and be in position)
4 inputs for home switches
4 inputs for motor fault signals
8 inputs for spindle amplifier signals for ATC (4 for each of 2 spindles)
5 outputs to control relays or solenoids for spindles, vacuum, dust collection etc.

I would prefer to have 4mhz pulse input frequency, but as I understand it, this controller is 2mhz. This would be fine as long as I can reach the rapids necessary with the required resolution.


You can PM me with pricing if you wish, or post it here. I have the links to the leadshine products, so I can get the technical details there. I just need to know which ones you recommend and offer. Also, since I don't find any break out boards or other peripherals, I'll need links to those components so I can find the necessary technical data to hook it all up.

As I've said before, I just want to know more about the leadshine. Since there's no information about them here, and I can only read the limited technical data on their website, I thought it would be best to test them myself. I can then report back how well they do.

I look forward to your response.

Royce

Royce.....give George a minute. He just needs time to wait for DZ to compile a parts list.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Hey Ricky, quit with your juvenile lawyer on trial talk already.

 

[JoeyInCali]

With built in Controller , drivers All in one
MX3660 X 3 297oz motor x48v power supply $350
with 650oz and 60v $420
MX4660 x 3 297oz motor x 48v power supply $450
with 650oz and 60v $520
Prices also is with shipping and only with XZero machine

3 x Easyservo 282oz x 60v power supply $670
3 x Easyservo 1133oz x 60v power supply $975
3 x Easyservo 1133oz x 110v/220v $1100 no power supply needed
10 meter power and encoder cable $ 45 so you can properly put your components in enclosure.

That sure is a much better option than stepper to me.
I wouldn't want to deal with the usual stepper problems ( losing steps and torque on low rpm ). And the stepper moving as soon as you turn on the system.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Hey Lawyer Ricky Burr, your evidence expired.
The certificate expired . FWIW.

Go grab Raymond and dig up another certificate .
If it even matters.

 

[scdiveteam]

Hey Lawyer Ricky Burr, your evidence expired.
The certificate expired . FWIW.

Go grab Raymond and dig up another certificate .
If it even matters.

I called them, they will be updating the website and said thank you to Joey.

So keep dreaming with the dreamers:

 

[JoeyInCali]

I called them, they will be updating the website and said thank you to Joey.

I'm a millinonaire genius dreamer who got schooled by an epoxy expert.

For a lawyer wannabe , you sure miss out easy details.

 

[Thomas Wayne]

[...]"Who better to present the evidence" [...]

"Present the evidence"... that's a euphemism for something from your Raymond Burr fantasy... right?

TW

 

[Thomas Wayne]

For a lawyer wannabe , you sure miss out easy details.

He's a "big picture" guy, Joey. He can't be bothered with the mundane little details - such as facts and scientific data - that make his big ideas prove out to be foolish (like his "exploding A-joint" myth, for example).

TW

 

[gio-XZero]

That's funny, Miss Geo. You funny, funny gal.

I know that you're not very good with the English language, so I wonder if you realize that "Raptor" - in our language - refers primarily vultures and buzzards. Those are birds of prey who often feed on the carcasses of dead animals.

And "Predator"? Well, that's kind of how I see you - a sneaky creature preying on the ignorance (and wallets) of your unsuspecting victims. As for "Demon"... well, that's just plain evil now, isn't it?

But then, what's in a name, after all? Seems kind of petty to even bring it up... don't you think?

TW

Hello Sir Wayne , its not a problem. Again it is a free world , you can choose to like something or not, without persecution. Good boy, stand up for yourself, im proud of you

My 6 year old son at time time pick them and and i like it too. I guess he likes vultures and buzzards.But i think it was because playing his star wars game

 

[iusedtoberich]

I've been perusing these thread for a while, am I understand the below properly?:

1. Most cue makers (especially part time ones), and hobbiest cnc owners have traditionally used open loop stepper systems, mainly because servo cost was out of reach. These stepper systems have worked fairly well. The drivers for these steppers have gotten much better over the years. Basic requirements per axis are power supply, open loop stepper driver, stepper motor, simple cabling.

2. Leadshine makes a closed loop stepper system, that solves one of the biggest disadvantages of steppers. This is competitively priced for the hobbiest market. Basic requirements per axis are power supply, closed loop stepper driver, stepper motor, encoder on motor, more complex cabling than #1 above due to encoder cabling.

3. Traditional servo systems have always been the top of the line. They come in brushed and brushless versions. Closed loop feedback of course is the foundation of how they work. Basic requirements per axis are power supply, servo driver, servo motor, encoder on motor, motor power plus encoder cabling. The servo drivers and servo motors individually have usually been 3x or greater than the cost of the stepper counterpart components.

4. Clearpath stepper killers are the same as #3, in a brushless version. But they package the servo driver into the endcap of the motor, resulting in fewer components to buy. Another difference they have is with the cabling. Because the driver is on the motor itself, the 4 wires from the full quadrature encoder are fully contained inside of the motor assembly, instead of having to be run all the way back to the control box of the cnc machine. Basic requirement per axis are power supply, servo motor (with integrated driver), encoder on the motor, motor power cabling and direction cabling . The performance of this is the same as #3, but the price is much closer to #1 than #3, making servo technology in reach of the hobbiest cnc machine owner, or part time cuemaker.

Is all this about right? And if so, we now have at least 2 options (#2 and #4) that are significantly better than #1, but for not a ton more money?

Thanks.

 

[gio-XZero]

Bob shows great examples of personality traits in which you would highly benefit from if willing.

You see, 3 months ago Bob knew nothing more about CNC than simple user interface. Breaking open a control cabinet or implementing any sort of electronics was a seemingly overwhelming proposition.

However, his humility and willingness to learn is what produced the machine and end result of which you hold in such high regard.

Initially he sought out wise council, listened, and then followed that up with his own research and opinion of EVERYTHING available.

Yes, he spent a little more than he would have with just buying a plug and play 4 axis stepper kit for 5-600 bucks but now has an industrial strength foundation that will not only last the life of the machine, but allow expansion of the system to literally whatever his heart desires without replacing any of the main components. But without a doubt he could not have had such a robust machine if he chose the plug and play setup.

You know George, 3 months ago all the guys in this thread who you are twisted up with now.....they were all advocates and supporters of your machine and very much hoped you would succeed in an almost impossible market. Your close minded attitude unfortunately dictates that your market will remain in the hobby world. Too bad really because you have a nice foundation which could be built upon to really creep into a strong position in the industrial world.

I have no idea what you are talking about? Machines are far from just hobby machine.
I just stated what i think is better, if you don't like them don't buy them? i TRULY don't understand what the problem is with that?