There's no question that those things "burden" one's ability to be accurate - and there's no question that many overuse side spin. It's necessary for good play, but its side effects are a necessary evil to be wary of.
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Centerball...haters gonna hate
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ElCorazonFrio
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Hmmmm...
I did use angles, but the angle wasn't from using the edge or corner of the man, it was still using the face of the man, but by squeezing the ball a bit into the table and motion upon release of the squeeze caused the angle. In passing it is called a brush.
I was decent as a player, not great. I had a respectable push, but could never get around and cut back like you could and like I could on the pull.
I have got to the party late but I made it.
No one here likes to spin the rock more then myself. Having typed that I must say.....learn center ball and get to the next level. Once you understand center ball everything thing else about the game makes sense and gets easier, it will make you happy.
No one here likes to spin the rock more then myself. Having typed that I must say.....learn center ball and get to the next level. Once you understand center ball everything thing else about the game makes sense and gets easier, it will make you happy.
Holy crap. I smell a category 5 hurricane JAM and it is quickly approaching. Better run for cover.
It could be a hurricane or a troll.
On my push 'cut back' I did use the edge. That is why the goalie never sees it coming. He thinks it's just a push shoot straight in but it cuts back because I hit it with the edge.
If I had the ball just sitting there & the goalie was not set properly, I many times just 'softly' cut it right in on the angel by hitting the ball with the edge.
Different strokes even it foosball.
Best Wishes.
Hurricane JAM was in reference to the response he is almost certain to get from Keith's girlfriend who posts regularly on AzB, but you are right in that it is possible the post was intended as a troll although I don't think so. I think he was just super blunt about telling it the way he sees it (whether he is right or wrong).
moving back to this idea of maximizing margin for error...
In golf, skilled players can generally expect the ball to move left (with a draw swing) or right (with a fade swing). On the tee shot especially this gives the player a big advantage as he gets to use the whole fairway. For a draw, you aim at the right edge and for a fade you aim at the left edge.
The corollary with pool would seem to be that you don't aim center pocket - you aim to the right or left center depending on the English chosen. Is this something people do - in effect cheat the pocket on typical shots with the expectation of variable levels of English affecting throw to maximize the margin for error?
In golf, skilled players can generally expect the ball to move left (with a draw swing) or right (with a fade swing). On the tee shot especially this gives the player a big advantage as he gets to use the whole fairway. For a draw, you aim at the right edge and for a fade you aim at the left edge.
The corollary with pool would seem to be that you don't aim center pocket - you aim to the right or left center depending on the English chosen. Is this something people do - in effect cheat the pocket on typical shots with the expectation of variable levels of English affecting throw to maximize the margin for error?
Can you find me a post from a respected poster that said you should ONLY play on the vertical axis?
Believe or not, there's a HUUUUUUGE difference between
A. You should only hit the cueball on the vertical axis.
and
B. You should try to hit the cueball on the vertical axis as much as possible, and use side spin when necessary.
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Sorry for beating up on poor Keith, but he is a tragic example, totally lost it, totally UN disciplined, but that is the truth, why hide it. He could run two racks, dancing the cue ball around and it would be dazzling, then he would blow an easy shot, trying to do too much with it. Then the other guy would run out on him. Great pool, played perfect, can be almost so simple, it gets boring.
Here is your perfect example of two things, what fast and loose is, and what is hitting all center ball and playing perfect angle to angle.
Done correctly, pool can be equally as beautiful and this run is.
Ronnie O' Sullivan Fastest 147 in History - 5 minutes 20 seconds - 1997 World Championship
Google it up, to see his run and performance.
Here is your perfect example of two things, what fast and loose is, and what is hitting all center ball and playing perfect angle to angle.
Done correctly, pool can be equally as beautiful and this run is.
Ronnie O' Sullivan Fastest 147 in History - 5 minutes 20 seconds - 1997 World Championship
Google it up, to see his run and performance.
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Usually "stun" is what you will read when people refer to your center ball concept.
With all due respect, He missed position on the ball before the black but in the game of snooker he had another red to shoot. l think talking about two different games in a conversation about a preferred style or type of play is not quite the right thing to do. If he had to shoot the original red that he intended & then the black next he would have had to juice the CB with running english to go all the way around the table. I'm certainly not saying that he couldn't do it, but he might have wanted Keith to shoot that one for him.:wink:
I realize the dynamics of what is going on and I also know that Kieth could be a little reckless at times on and off the table. Personally I miss Jenny posting on the board. Jenny is a friend and she has contributed great content to the forum but I understand her pulling back.
You have made valid points when comparing the two games these players have or had. Both these two were exciting to watch and both have had their demons to deal with. I believe that Keith's heyday was a little more short-lived then Ronnie's but the Earthquakes contributions to the game were historic as were the Rockets.
Cuebuddy....a fan of both!
This is what some think they do, but it's nothing but the same old shooting for the center of the pocket with a little side spin and aim corrected for squirt. Saying it the other way around doesn't change anything.
I'm really surprised that anybody believes this "bigger margin of error" stuff. It's blatantly obvious nonsense.
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This is just food for thought about the 'nonsense' for those that are interested.
If the balls are aligned straight, to just miss the pocket then the shot can not be made by a center ball hit aligned center to center. But it can be made by hitting a touch to the inside with the CTC alignment. So... the touch of inside can do something that the center hit can not do with the same alignment.
Now move the shot over to where the CTC alignment can just barely be made inside the point with a center hit. Now miss the center hit to the outside & the shot is missed.
Now with the same alignment hit it with the touch of inside & the ball pockets. Hit it with more than a touch of inside & the ball still pockets. Hit it on the other side of the intended touch of inside & hit center & the ball still pockets.
With TOI you have at least 3 locations to hit & still pocket the ball. You can hit with the intended touch of inside. You can miss & hit with more than the intended touch of inside. You can miss on the other side of the intended touch of inside & hit center. With all 3 the ball pockets
With an intended center hit you only have two locations because if you miss the CB center to the outside the ball will not pocket.
It is true that the odds for one's stroke to miss the intended CB target are the same regardless of the intended method.
But...with the alignment to the full hit side of the pocket & with the planned Touch of Inside hit, one can miss on either side of the intended CB target & still pocket the ball. It even allows for an alignment outside of the pocket. That can not be done with a center hit & the same alignment.
I don't know about all of you but my stroke is not bad enough to aim a touch to one side & miss so bad that I am going to hit the other side. So with the planned alignment along with the planed inside hit one can miss on either side & still pocket the ball. The miss only comes from a stroke that is so bad that it hits the outside of the ball. It golf they call that a double cross.
If one's stroke is that bad then it really does not matter if one is using center hit or TOI or English.
Try it out & if you like it fine, if not, that's fine too.
Best Wishes to All.
If the balls are aligned straight, to just miss the pocket then the shot can not be made by a center ball hit aligned center to center. But it can be made by hitting a touch to the inside with the CTC alignment. So... the touch of inside can do something that the center hit can not do with the same alignment.
Now move the shot over to where the CTC alignment can just barely be made inside the point with a center hit. Now miss the center hit to the outside & the shot is missed.
Now with the same alignment hit it with the touch of inside & the ball pockets. Hit it with more than a touch of inside & the ball still pockets. Hit it on the other side of the intended touch of inside & hit center & the ball still pockets.
With TOI you have at least 3 locations to hit & still pocket the ball. You can hit with the intended touch of inside. You can miss & hit with more than the intended touch of inside. You can miss on the other side of the intended touch of inside & hit center. With all 3 the ball pockets
With an intended center hit you only have two locations because if you miss the CB center to the outside the ball will not pocket.
It is true that the odds for one's stroke to miss the intended CB target are the same regardless of the intended method.
But...with the alignment to the full hit side of the pocket & with the planned Touch of Inside hit, one can miss on either side of the intended CB target & still pocket the ball. It even allows for an alignment outside of the pocket. That can not be done with a center hit & the same alignment.
I don't know about all of you but my stroke is not bad enough to aim a touch to one side & miss so bad that I am going to hit the other side. So with the planned alignment along with the planed inside hit one can miss on either side & still pocket the ball. The miss only comes from a stroke that is so bad that it hits the outside of the ball. It golf they call that a double cross.
If one's stroke is that bad then it really does not matter if one is using center hit or TOI or English.
Try it out & if you like it fine, if not, that's fine too.
Best Wishes to All.
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The best drill I know of that teaches how it can be easier to control the cueball using speed and the horizontal axis compared to speed and the vertical axis is the butterfly drill.
Do that drill until you can go through a couple of racks pretty flawlessly and you will appreciate the horizontal axis much more.
Do that drill until you can go through a couple of racks pretty flawlessly and you will appreciate the horizontal axis much more.
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How you doing?
And then learn to use which one when & how to combine them.
Best 2 Ya.
I am doing well.
Do you know which drill I am talking about? I guess I should try to explain it huh.:smile:
Its a corner pocket... One rail for shape drill.
Place an object ball one diamond up on the side rail and one diamond out on the end rail... both balls are about 1/2 inch away from touching the rail.
Now with ball in hand shoot one of the object balls in the corner and play one rail shape for shooting the next in the same corner. Everytime you make a ball replace it and continue to go back and forth until you make it through a couple of racks.
Anyone who does this will for sure see how much easier it is to control the line by using the horizontal axis on this type of shot.
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Ron Swanson
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That is absolute nonsense.
