Don't believe everyone you read on the internet
Seriously though, ANY pro would be a fool to play on their own dime, when there are backers lined up. That's the worst business decision ever. Doesn't matter if you have your own cash or not.
Bergman vs Shaw updates
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Don't believe everyone you read on the internet
Seriously though, ANY pro would be a fool to play on their own dime, when there are backers lined up. That's the worst business decision ever. Doesn't matter if you have your own cash or not.
Jayson said that Justin's backers went and changed the spot on the table to keep him from breaking good.
But the owner of the room said on the live stream he changed the spot because it was not stuck down good so it was not a move from team Justin lol .
Jayson is a hell of a player but i was a little disappointed about what he posted after the match instead of giving Justin credit for playing great he blamed lucky rolls and tried to claim the table was tampered with by Justin's backers.
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Teacherman,
If you're involved in the production, do you know if post match streaming or download will be available for sale?
Colin
I'm blown away at the "bar table player" label that Justin has been given. He grew up playing on 9 foot tables and plays strong one pocket. The reality is that he has more heart for the gamble than Shaw does and that he plays a lot of bar table events because that's the majority of what is out there right now. I'd bet on Bergman if he was playing Shaw Jax. Did everybody forget that he beat Oscar? He is going to do well during the US Open this year.
Myself and Derek Sexton are the men behind OnCue2.com. He is the tech guy. I will talk to him and see what we can do.
If that's true, I'll lobby for his inclusion in the hall of fame and put posters of him around my pool room
Granted, in rotation games, players rarely shoot at shots lower than 80% probability, but to miss only 2 pots in 139 frames is next to impossible.
Colin
Haha I'm sure you're right but it seemed as though he ran out consistently every time the balls were open.... I would love to know his stats on this match. I would think 900 plus for sure. I don't know much about Berman. I've only seen him once at Mosconi Cup. He looked impressive to me. Jayson Shaw is also a great player
That depends on your chances of winning and the deal you have with your backer. Sometimes the expected value in putting up your own money is higher than the expected value in having a backer.
Yeah he seems to have removed those posts, or maybe made them friends-only.
The barbox label was warranted for sometime because that's where he was winning
Now obviously that label could be dropped,, is beating Oscar significant ?
Don't let the fact interfere with your opinion.
Justin has a very solid One Pocket reputation.....clearly a 9' table game. Recently defeated Danny Smith.
And...in the last few months he won the 9' 10 Ball Tournament in Memphis.
Finished high in Houston. (9' tables)
Defeated Johnny Archer in the Young Guns v Old School Event. (9' tables)
Defeated Rodney Morris in the Young Guns v Old School Event. (9' tables)
Defeated Dennis Orcollo on a 9' table.
Defeated Oscar Dominquez on 9' table.
Interspersed between those events were some 7' table wins.
Do you really believe his selection to the Mosconi Cup team was because of his bar box prowess? Does that reflect your opinion of Mark Wilson?
It's Ok to be misinformed.
Not Ok to speak while ignoring the truth.
Jayson Shaw is a great player. I thought this match was a 'pick em'. Either could win. But the BarBoxBergman speak was very uninformed.
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Bergman made me a believer! That was an awesome set of pool in a very long set. His position play was spot on, shot making excellent and he broke well. I was really impressed and I knew very little about him, so this isn't a fan talking, I'm just speaking from what I saw and telling it like it is..
He is going to do well during the US Open this year.[/QUOTE]
Dont go out on. Lmb.
Edit- supposed to say : dont go out on a limb.
Dont go out on. Lmb.
Edit- supposed to say : dont go out on a limb.
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Onestroke said the label was warranted in the past due to his winning mostly on the box, you claim he is ignorant and prove it by listing some recent 9-foot wins? Is that not in fact actually his point? Bergman in recent times has gotten some pretty big 9-foot rotation pool victories and he is starting to shed his old barbox dominated persona.
The facts ARE actually showing that Bergman is starting to show his prowess on the 9-foots more then he ever has before. Whether he used to be good on the 9-foots and no one knew it because he never won tournaments on them and rarely ever played a big publicized match on them? You are going to get on people for that? Players don't get credit for their ability on certain tables on certain games until they start winning big publicized matches on those tables in those games. That is how it works...
Also, people are not talking about "won a tournament in Memphis" good. They are talking about "world class" good. Bergman is clearly awesome, but he NEEDS to start following these wins up with actually competing on the world stage in the World 9-ball Championships, the World 10-ball Championships, the China Open, The Japan Open, the US Open, and other MAJOR events with world class fields. He is no different then SVB in this regard, to be truly seen as the world's best you really need to go out there and beat the best in the world over and over again and prove you are #1.
The next time a major international event comes up and your local top end pro you are so proud of needs money to go play in it stop jabbering on AZBilliards on how good he is, put him in the World class events and let him prove it to everyone.
I was intrigued by a number of things in this match. After a poor showing in the 1st session I expected Shaw to come out strong to open last nights session but it didn't happen & Justin did come out strong & padded his lead.
I was a little surprised at Jayson's lack of response to the heat being applied until Justin hit 59 & then Shaw caught a gear & started trimming the deficit. I was more surprised by Justin's response to that & rather pleased at what I saw. A lot of young guys right on the cusp of breaking through might have folded up there & start playing tentatively but he didn't. He regained his composure & popped a 3 pack & I saw the air go out of Jayson, all Justin had to do was lean on him & that's exactly what transpired with Shaw never breaking 60.
Closing thoughts, Justin has heart, gamble & an amazing cue ball. His position play & safeties were superlative. With a more consistent break he could be a consistent force to be reckoned with in the very near future. Most impressive was he was a stone underdog in most people's book & he didn't seem to buy into it & stomped a mud hole into Shaw's forehead, not in a short race but in a grinders session.
Now Shaw, obviously one of the most talented young players in the game, devastating break when it's on & the ability to just roll over players. I think most remember that 22 minute super thrashing he gave Mika a short while back. He came out flat, blew opportunities & didnt show much fight when down, great player, disappointing showing. Not something backers like to see. He's shown he's got teeth but in this match it was all bark, no bite.
I was a little surprised at Jayson's lack of response to the heat being applied until Justin hit 59 & then Shaw caught a gear & started trimming the deficit. I was more surprised by Justin's response to that & rather pleased at what I saw. A lot of young guys right on the cusp of breaking through might have folded up there & start playing tentatively but he didn't. He regained his composure & popped a 3 pack & I saw the air go out of Jayson, all Justin had to do was lean on him & that's exactly what transpired with Shaw never breaking 60.
Closing thoughts, Justin has heart, gamble & an amazing cue ball. His position play & safeties were superlative. With a more consistent break he could be a consistent force to be reckoned with in the very near future. Most impressive was he was a stone underdog in most people's book & he didn't seem to buy into it & stomped a mud hole into Shaw's forehead, not in a short race but in a grinders session.
Now Shaw, obviously one of the most talented young players in the game, devastating break when it's on & the ability to just roll over players. I think most remember that 22 minute super thrashing he gave Mika a short while back. He came out flat, blew opportunities & didnt show much fight when down, great player, disappointing showing. Not something backers like to see. He's shown he's got teeth but in this match it was all bark, no bite.
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Again.....EVERYONE....who has been around Justin knows he grew up on big tables, has ALWAYS been a big table player. You simply have to ignore the facts to believe otherwise. His 'coming out' was a one pocket victory a few years ago.
Would you please list all the one pocket champions that were predominantly bar box players.
Sheesh!
It's not his fault that the money is....has been....mostly.....on the bar boxes. Therefore he competed often on the bar boxes.
LMAO.
Someday you'll get the point.
Would you please list all the one pocket champions that were predominantly bar box players.
Sheesh!
It's not his fault that the money is....has been....mostly.....on the bar boxes. Therefore he competed often on the bar boxes.
LMAO.
Someday you'll get the point.
His backer has to be hating life?
Losing by a narrow margin in a respectable defeat is one thing. But, a 20 plus game beat down in a race to 80 signals that things are way off, if he can't match 75% of what the other guy did.
short races in international competitions is a sprint vs. the 100 or 80 game marathons. 2 totally different beast! One or two mistakes and you are done. God help you if you are a slow starter.
All the people on the Bergman band wagon and no one steps up to help the guy. Just complain about, "why he does not play in big international tournaments to represent the USA." He is winning big money for someone. Robb Saez was putting him in money matches last I heard.
Shaw has yet to book a winner in one of these big money matches. Lost to SVB, lost to Bustamante, lost to Bergman! he may just be a tournament player only. Never seems to rise to the occasion in money matches and he has had several of them to get it together.
KD
Losing by a narrow margin in a respectable defeat is one thing. But, a 20 plus game beat down in a race to 80 signals that things are way off, if he can't match 75% of what the other guy did.
short races in international competitions is a sprint vs. the 100 or 80 game marathons. 2 totally different beast! One or two mistakes and you are done. God help you if you are a slow starter.
All the people on the Bergman band wagon and no one steps up to help the guy. Just complain about, "why he does not play in big international tournaments to represent the USA." He is winning big money for someone. Robb Saez was putting him in money matches last I heard.
Shaw has yet to book a winner in one of these big money matches. Lost to SVB, lost to Bustamante, lost to Bergman! he may just be a tournament player only. Never seems to rise to the occasion in money matches and he has had several of them to get it together.
KD
Congratulations to Justin!
I've been a fan of Justin on the big tables when he had took down the Hard Times tournament a couple of years ago.
I am wondering if Shaw's backer would be wiling to do a rematch with Justin? Despite the 21 games win margin, I think these 2 guys play even.
I'm ready to see Justin play one of the big name Chinese/Taiwan players.
I'm also starting to change how I feel about long 30+ game sets. Unless both players are very close and its the last 10 or so games, each game doesn't have the intensity and pressure of a short race.
I've been a fan of Justin on the big tables when he had took down the Hard Times tournament a couple of years ago.
I am wondering if Shaw's backer would be wiling to do a rematch with Justin? Despite the 21 games win margin, I think these 2 guys play even.
I'm ready to see Justin play one of the big name Chinese/Taiwan players.
I'm also starting to change how I feel about long 30+ game sets. Unless both players are very close and its the last 10 or so games, each game doesn't have the intensity and pressure of a short race.
Looks like the next big money match for Bergman might be John Morra he is woofing at Justin to play this is what he just posted on Justin's Facebook
