Wow, that's a hard question to answer, I'm going to have to think about that a bit before I answer it:grin:
Cenntennial, Anniversary, Gold Crown 1, 2, and 3 frames, how flat do think they are
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Wow, that's a hard question to answer, I'm going to have to think about that a bit before I answer it:grin:
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens (billiard) cloth, since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
Check this crazy stuff out:
http://lindaelianapaquette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Stevens-Boycott-Flier-LOW.pdf
http://epapers.uwsp.edu/pointers/1978/1978 Feb 9.pdf
so crazy that movies have been made about J.P. Stevens Co
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC22folder/JPStevensFilms.html
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens (billiard) cloth, since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
Check this crazy stuff out:
http://lindaelianapaquette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Stevens-Boycott-Flier-LOW.pdf
http://epapers.uwsp.edu/pointers/1978/1978 Feb 9.pdf
so crazy that movies have been made about J.P. Stevens Co
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC22folder/JPStevensFilms.html
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Did you know that at one time, Mali was the managing partner of Simonis? And yes, fine woolen cloths have been made for 100 ' s of years, Simonis has been making cloths for over 330 years....but not for the pool industry that long.
Very informative reading. I can't afford to have mu Ann fixed the right way. But you have given me things to ponder on my next tare down for a new cloth. Those slate pull down pics are something I had never pondered , or would have every thought of! Great reading and informative
Keep in mind, the center slate pull down leveling system I showed is only if the slates are crowned, and on my frames and slates I have no high points in the center of the frame, so it's real easy to pull the slates down to flat. But, you have to first make sure your slates are in fact crowned, and it's not the frame or backing on the slates interfering with the slates laying flat across the frame, you can do that by placing a 6' carpenters level across the frame to check the height of the center cross members, as well as the long frame rails of the frame to see if they dip down on the outside edge, that'll cause a crown in the slates also. If all good, then check the backing on the bottom side of the slates, some times you'll get swelling in the center backing board. If all good, but the slates are still crowned, then you know what to do next, but keep in mind also, you're not trying to pull the slates down like I did, what you're trying to accomplish is to keep the slates from lifting by locking them in place so they can't lift up, then by raising the outside edges of the slates to level, you can eliminate the crowned effect. The main thing about my system, is that there's no bondo to dig out of the slate and no slate screw to remove if you're ever going to take the table apart, all you have to do with my system, is unscrew the all thread rod from the bottom of the slates and they're disconnected. Make sure the cross members are screwed down also so they can't lift up as you pull the slates down.
As bad as the Gold Crown II's and III's are, when they placed a Diamond table ( twice ) at Hard Times, Bellflower, nobody wanted to play on it .
First of all, if they didn't like playing on the Diamond the first time, why would it have been brought back a second time? Secondly, is there any truth to the rumor I heard that they charged more to play on the Diamond than the Gold Crowns, because if that were the case, that may explain why no one wanted to play on it
RKC, I remember you " Diamomdizing " a Gold Crown I think. My question is do you "Diamomdize " any of the Brunswick's ( or any other manufactures ) or just a specific model ( GC1, 2, etc ) ? Thanks in advance.
The prices were the same afaik.First of all, if they didn't like playing on the Diamond the first time, why would it have been brought back a second time? Secondly, is there any truth to the rumor I heard that they charged more to play on the Diamond than the Gold Crowns, because if that were the case, that may explain why no one wanted to play on it
First time was with a different owner. The second time was on the different owner and there was an agreement to have there for advertising .
Same thing is happening at Stix in Rancho . Not too many play on the lone Diamond they have .
Bar boxes are a different story .
I couldn't tell ya why Joey, but it certainly isn't because the GCs' play better I can tell you that much:thumbup:
I've worked on so many different makes of pool tables it's a joke, I can't even remember them all, but there's always a few deciding factors that help me make up my mind as to what tables I'll work on. One being, what am I doing at the time. Two, is the table someone wants me to work on worth the investment of my time and their money. Three, do I feel up to the challenge of taking on a project I KNOW I should pass on, because once Pandora ' s box is opened, it's to late to back out then, I'm stuck with what I've got. So, I guess what I'm saying is it all depends on factors at the moment of the request.
So basically if you feel like it you can do it to just about any table not just Brunswick's ?
How about Gold Crowning a Diamond, Glen ?
Superspeed and Brunswick cushion profile ?
Then you wouldn't have people complaining about it banking short, long or not as good as Gold Crown.
Superspeed and Brunswick cushion profile ?
Then you wouldn't have people complaining about it banking short, long or not as good as Gold Crown.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bond
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens cloth,
since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
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"Gee, Dale, I am truly sorry for doubting your vast knowledge, precise memory,
and superior intellect."
Dale(who is silently humming the tune of "woolly bully" in his wise old head)
Originally Posted by Mr. Bond
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens cloth,
since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
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Looks like there was only ONE BSer in this discussion
At this point it might be appropriate for you to say something along the lines of:
"Gee, Dale, I am truly sorry for doubting your vast knowledge, precise memory,
and superior intellect."
Dale(who is silently humming the tune of "woolly bully" in his wise old head)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bond
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens cloth,
since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
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Looks like there was only ONE BSer in this discussion
At this point it might be appropriate for you to say something along the lines of:
"Gee, Dale, I am truly sorry for doubting your vast knowledge, precise memory,
and superior intellect."
Dale(who is silently humming the tune of "woolly bully" in his wise old head)
Are you truly that thick in the head??? Where did he back up your claim to Stevens making a 100% wool pool cloth....jeeesh. Of course woolen fabrics have been around for hundreds of years, that's a given!!! But your claim is just plain stupid....but it's your story, so tell it any way you want
And for your information, the Mali company was selling pool cloth in this country long before Simonis was, or JP Stevens for that matter, they also produced the first pool cloth.....look it up DA!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by Mr. Bond
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens cloth,
since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
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Looks like there was only ONE BSer in this discussion
At this point it might be appropriate for you to say something along the lines of:
"Gee, Dale, I am truly sorry for doubting your vast knowledge, precise memory,
and superior intellect."
Dale(who is silently humming the tune of "woolly bully" in his wise old head)
Mr, Bond, which Mali family member is the person responsible for guiding Simonis into the pool cloth industry?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bond
Speaking of Stevens cloth....
I'm thinking that it was probably the Forstmann mills facility that produced Stevens cloth,
since Stevens bought them out in 57', and wool cloth was Forstmann's specialty.
By the way, finely worsted wools have been around for a lot longer than simonis 860.
Also by the way, anyone know why the J. P. Stevens company went away?
(This is your geeky history moment of the day)
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Looks like there was only ONE BSer in this discussion
At this point it might be appropriate for you to say something along the lines of:
"Gee, Dale, I am truly sorry for doubting your vast knowledge, precise memory,
and superior intellect."
Dale(who is silently humming the tune of "woolly bully" in his wise old head)
Hey Einstein, did you know the Simonis cloth company made the uniforms for the north and south during the Civil war?....yep, made of wool buddy, that's right!!!
If your question is can I make any factory built pool table play better than the factory did when they built it, then your answer is yes.
What does Mali have to do with any thing? Did I say anything about Mali?
What does who sold what first have to do with anything?
This all started because you said ALL cloth on GCs was thick and slow - which
is vastly inaccurate - Ask pt109, ask Eric FATBOY, they both remember playing on it.
LOOK it up.
Dale
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