One pocket WWYD

Straightpool_99

Straightpool_99

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I've rewatched some of the Barton-Figueroa match, and since I'm not a one pocket player, I often do not know exactly what is the correct shot choice.

In the picture John Barton needs all the balls plus one. He is aiming directly at his pocket. Lou needs only one, as can be seen from the score. I'm curious to know if you'd try to run all the balls, what order you'd run them in, or when you'd play safe. I'll leave the suggestions to you advanced one pocket players, like I said, when it comes to playing one pocket I am a beginner. The 9 ball is directly behind Johns Bridgehand, not frozen to the rail (between half a ball, and 3/4 ball off the rail, I think).

As you can see from the screencap, this is part 3 of the youtube video, at 9 minutes 12 seconds in. Link should start right at this time.
https://youtu.be/CUeoiUZdbMs?list=PLSKV5CK_fziXgJfmuqZiy_N-C5JFHNg8w&t=550

Please keep this thread positive and on the subject matter. I do not want this to end up a bashing of either of the two players in this match.
 

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Just for fun, if I was trying to get them all, I might shoot a stop shot on the ball he is shooting, then shoot the ball on the spot. Have the CB go 2 rails and hit the back side of the ball by the rail. The intent is for the CB to tickey off the back of that ball, and head down table for a shot on one of the other balls. The OB would move to John's side so he can shoot it later in the inning.

ps, this is perhaps crazy, but I think it could work:)
 
When you're down in the score in 1P, it is time to shoot with more aggression. Conversely, when you are up significantly it pays to play conservatively and not give way to a big run for your opponent.

That being said, I would start in this situation by making the 6 followed by the 8, then get back uptable to make the 5. That would open the lanes to the pocket. From there, you would see if you could get into a good spot to continue the run or would have to consider some safety options at that juncture.
 
The Plan

I would do it just like you said only I would spin to miss the 14 ball and make that my last ball and shoot it slow enough to put it in the jaws of my pocket if not in. The others are open enough that if you get the 5 you can likely get to them.

iusedtoberich said:
Just for fun, if I was trying to get them all, I might shoot a stop shot on the ball he is shooting, then shoot the ball on the spot. Have the CB go 2 rails and hit the back side of the ball by the rail. The intent is for the CB to tickey off the back of that ball, and head down table for a shot on one of the other balls. The OB would move to John's side so he can shoot it later in the inning.

ps, this is perhaps crazy, but I think it could work:)
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Danimal said:
When you're down in the score in 1P, it is time to shoot with more aggression. Conversely, when you are up significantly it pays to play conservatively and not give way to a big run for your opponent.

That being said, I would start in this situation by making the 6 followed by the 8, then get back up table to make the 5. That would open the lanes to the pocket. From there, you would see if you could get into a good spot to continue the run or would have to consider some safety options at that juncture.
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I don't see many places I could get on the 5 that I would want to try to get shape on the other balls except for a bank on the 14 or whatever that ball is on his side cross corner and draw my cueball up to cut the 7 then the stripe just above my side pocket then the 11 ball, whatever was natural for shape , either try to get behind it or probably more likely , a bank.
There is no way after I made the 6 and 8 and had a good shot at the 5 that I would just go crazy with the cueball to get shape on one more ball with that 14 there.
{ball on his side}
 
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Funny you would post this now, as I was just watching this yesterday and thinking the same thing!

I think John played it correctly,,, he was aggressive and then hid. I seem to remember he almost won that particular game.

FYI,,, I think the people announcing (commenting) the match did an excellent job.... Congrats to them, whoever they are.

Tim H
 
haystj said:
Funny you would post this now, as I was just watching this yesterday and thinking the same thing!

I think John played it correctly,,, he was aggressive and then hid. I seem to remember he almost won that particular game.

FYI,,, I think the people announcing (commenting) the match did an excellent job.... Congrats to them, whoever they are.

Tim H
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Ed, Freddy, and Jamison were in the booth the first day.

Lou Figueroa
 
I watched the entire match, I learned a lot but it sounded like one of the commentators was rooting for JB.


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bstroud said:
You shoot the 6,8,go 2 rails,5 (trouble ball in front of the 15),15,7,11 and then bank the 14.

Bill S.
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You still Need two:smile:

Due to "fish-bowl effect" I cant even tell where he can go after the 6.:o

OP, you are a 14.1 player so you think run out,right?
 
bstroud said:
You shoot the 6,8,go 2 rails,5 (trouble ball in front of the 15),15,7,11 and then bank the 14.

Bill S.
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This was exactly what I was thinking! Maybe I'm not so bad at one pocket patterns after all!

My thought process is this:

1. I do not want to play for the 14. The area of position is too small, and If I try to bump it, I will most likely be on the rail or close to it, with just the 5 to shoot and no easy position play. I believe I can also scratch off the 14 while bumping it, even if it is very unlikely.

2. I need to remove the 5 because it blocks balls from going in my pocket. The other balls are just the natural order in which to play.

3. I will have to defend against 2 balls if I don't make the 14 ball bank.
a. The spotted ball. If I lag bank the 14 and leave it close to my pocketI might be able to use the spotted ball to double him up, in case I miss.
b. The 9 ball. The 9 ball is a possible 3 railer for Lou and a possible 2 railer for me. I think you have to call in Brumback to shoot the spin transfer 1 railer to Lous pocket, if it is even possible. So banking the 14 and leaving Lou on that rail, doubled up on the 14 (which is close to the pocket) seems to me to be pretty safe. If he banks the spotted ball, then he earned the win.
 
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Owe one...

6, 8, 2 rails around to the 5... if your shape is good, 15, 7... MAYBE the 11 if your position is working. Gotta be aggressive from behind... He only needs one, you gotta lock him up, move the remaining balls up table and/or near your hole, freeze him on the
back rail.

And you owe one, so if you don't run out, you have to remember that you're spotting up after your inning... don't leave him out on the spotted ball.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I'm curious to know if you'd try to run all the balls, what order you'd run them in, or when you'd play safe.
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As far as the pattern: I'd listen to Bill Stroud.

As far as playing safe: I'd play two-ways on every possible shot. If there's no two-way and the shot isn't 100% I'd play safe - that's 1P.

pj
chgo
 
I'm only about 6 months into playing one pocket but IMHO John hit the first 6 ball shot wrong. If he had rattled it Lou would have had the shot for the win.

To me, John should have rolled up a bit & taken that shot away in case he rattled the 6 ball.

If done properly he still would have had the shot on the 8.

Best Wishes 2 ALL.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I'm only about 6 months into playing one pocket but IMHO John hit the first 6 ball shot wrong. If he had rattled it Lou would have had the shot for the win.

To me, John should have rolled up a bit & taken that shot away in case he rattled the 6 ball.

If done properly he still would have had the shot on the 8.

Best Wishes 2 ALL.
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I disagree.

These are 4.5 inch pockets, he's dead straight in (or close to it) and a short way away from the ball, not only is the shot easy, but he doesn't have any work to do with the position. Also he's shooting into the pocket diagonally (not close to the rail). In those circumstances, if you can't make the ball, then there is no way you can win the race. No need for any two way shots on that, IMO.
 
haystj said:
Funny you would post this now, as I was just watching this yesterday and thinking the same thing!

I think John played it correctly,,, he was aggressive and then hid. I seem to remember he almost won that particular game.

FYI,,, I think the people announcing (commenting) the match did an excellent job.... Congrats to them, whoever they are.

Tim H
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You know what? Thank you.
 
As far as playing safe: I'd play two-ways on every possible shot. If there's no two-way and the shot isn't 100% I'd play safe - that's 1P.

pj
chgo[/QUOTE]

So all safes are 100%????

Not realy The way to play 1pkt.;)
 
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