200 kg ivory haul may be Gabon's biggest ever

Have I ever said that this was a US based problem? I'm talking about the world's consumption of ivory. THE WORLD.

But, here you go:

http://www.justice.gov/enrd/african-elephant-ivory-smuggling

Again, somewhat interesting. but with all due respect there is a lack of detail.

I would like to read about these cases in depth, specifically the two involving importation. The cases of exportation do nothing other than support the argument that the U.S. market does not fuel the ivory trade as it's value here is less than that in Asia and China.

We are not going to agree on the ongoing efforts to impose a complete and blanket ban on the ownership, sale, and movement of ivory and articles which contain it. Extremists lobby legislators to ban and destroy all ivory, all ivory, including that legally obtained and even ivory in museums.

The ban on the importation of ivory into the U.S. was sufficient to depress sales and it's value in the U.S. and making someone a criminal for owning or selling something legally obtained is wrong.

I make those statements as someone who has no meaningful interest in owning ivory. Yes, I have what might amount to $100 of ivory in several cues which if you were familiar with the extent of my collection would realize that is a pittance.
 
Again, somewhat interesting. but with all due respect there is a lack of detail.

I would like to read about these cases in depth, specifically the two involving importation. The cases of exportation do nothing other than support the argument that the U.S. market does not fuel the ivory trade as it's value here is less than that in Asia and China.

We are not going to agree on the ongoing efforts to impose a complete and blanket ban on the ownership, sale, and movement of ivory and articles which contain it. Extremists lobby legislators to ban and destroy all ivory, all ivory, including that legally obtained and even ivory in museums.

The ban on the importation of ivory into the U.S. was sufficient to depress sales and it's value in the U.S. and making someone a criminal for owning or selling something legally obtained is wrong.

I make those statements as someone who has no meaningful interest in owning ivory. Yes, I have what might amount to $100 of ivory in several cues which if you were familiar with the extent of my collection would realize that is a pittance.

Here's a great article, with a video attached:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/legal-loopholes-fuel-ivory-smuggling-in-hong-kong/

You'll recognize the picture at the beginning of the article.

An article by Daniel Stiles, a gentleman that cueaddicts has quoted in the past, regarding the amount of illegal ivory in California:

http://docs.nrdc.org/wildlife/files/wil_15010601a.pdf
 
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The multiple offenders calling each other stupid, etc need to consider the consequences.

Waning after warning after warning has been issued.

Time for accountability.
 
Unfortunately all of Shawns links and articles, might be by PHD's, or whatever he wants to call them, but one thing for certain, they are all tree huggers. This would be akin to me asking the dentist, PHD, that shot the lion what he thought...

JV
 
If You Don't Stop.....Well, Be Prepared For The Worst.......

PAGE 2.......REPLY #25

"By now, some of us should have learned that letting this turn into personal attacks accomplishes nothing."



I used to think I was a magnet for causing a thread on the Forum to go downhill but I was mistaken.
How many warnings does it take before people realize that Mr. Wilson is dead serious? Wake Up!

Jeez.....so it's okay to disagree....even very strongly.....but keep it civil.......knock off the truculence
and diatribes......pay attention to the subject matter more and the poster a whole less less.....the Forum
has to take a strong stand against people that like to push the envelope. i.e., rudeness & disrespect.

It's time to drop the hammer on some Azers.....enuf is enuf..........with little children, it's called a timeout.
With disrespectful Azers, it's called a suspension & continued bad behavior only invites being banned.
Mr. Wilson, time to pull the trigger on some of the buffoons that seemingly do not learn except by pain.

Matt B.
 
PAGE 2.......REPLY #25

"By now, some of us should have learned that letting this turn into personal attacks accomplishes nothing."



I used to think I was a magnet for causing a thread on the Forum to go downhill but I was mistaken.
How many warnings does it take before people realize that Mr. Wilson is dead serious? Wake Up!

Jeez.....so it's okay to disagree....even very strongly.....but keep it civil.......knock off the truculence
and diatribes......pay attention to the subject matter more and the poster a whole less less.....the Forum
has to take a strong stand against people that like to push the envelope. i.e., rudeness & disrespect.

It's time to drop the hammer on some Azers.....enuf is enuf..........with little children, it's called a timeout.
With disrespectful Azers, it's called a suspension & continued bad behavior only invites being banned.
Mr. Wilson, time to pull the trigger on some of the buffoons that seemingly do not learn except by pain.

Matt B.


Don't worry, you are still a magnet.
 
I suppose I do have my fans.........fortunately I know mostly whom they are and I ignore their rants & raves.
Sooner or later those Azers will get banned because they are basically an accident looking to happen.
 
Insane

Have a good break Shawn.
Here's to your honor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1nTfgUbW48
Be nicer when you make it back.


Hook line and sinker,
Pangit ( the OP of this threat ) sucked Shawn right into this,

From the second sentence of opening post it was 100% clear that this thread was designed to get people to start judging and hating.

It profiled everyone who owns ivory right down to the corner church who has ivory keys on there 1948 Organ.

Just another Hate thread to divide the members of this forum ,.
 
Oh boy....

I can't wait to see the little ivory diamond inlays my cue maker is putting in the butt of my ebony and birds eye cue. About a dozen of them, nothing big but should look good.
I would like to personally thank the elephant who donated his/her life so I could put a piece of you in my cue. Thanks a bunch!

I also want to thank who ever it was that made it possible for me to cook that delicious Canadian raised beef rib eye last night. Thanks for killing it and getting it to the supermarket for me, I know it is a group effort. It kept me from getting my hands bloody and dealing with all that gore and mess.

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Hook line and sinker,
Pangit ( the OP of this threat ) sucked Shawn right into this,

From the second sentence of opening post it was 100% clear that this thread was designed to get people to start judging and hating.

It profiled everyone who owns ivory right down to the corner church who has ivory keys on there 1948 Organ.

Just another Hate thread to divide the members of this forum ,.



MM, I didn't lure Shawn into anything. But I like the guy, we are like minded.

My Dad taught me a sporting life lesson early on...if you kill something you eat it. I've never eaten Elepahant, how does it taste other than the Ivory?

elephant.jpg
 
Hook line and sinker,
Pangit ( the OP of this threat ) sucked Shawn right into this,

From the second sentence of opening post it was 100% clear that this thread was designed to get people to start judging and hating.

It profiled everyone who owns ivory right down to the corner church who has ivory keys on there 1948 Organ.

Just another Hate thread to divide the members of this forum ,.



MM, I didn't lure Shawn into anything. But I like the guy, we are like minded.

My Dad taught me a sporting life lesson early on...if you kill something you eat it. I've never eaten Elephant, how does it taste other than the Ivory?

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If your one of those that is fiercely against legal ivory use in any form, that is your right, but I hope you put the same amount of energy and passion into protecting the thousands and thousands of "legally killed" unborn babies. They are much more important then elephants and ivory.

way to stay on topic bro.
 
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MM, I didn't lure Shawn into anything. But I like the guy, we are like minded.

My Dad taught me a sporting life lesson early on...if you kill something you eat it. I've never eaten Elephant, how does it taste other than the Ivory?

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Its your hate driven thread, read the first two sentences of your thread and go lie to someone else.

Your a troll, did your dad teach you that too?
 
Have I ever said that this was a US based problem? I'm talking about the world's consumption of ivory. THE WORLD.

But, here you go:

http://www.justice.gov/enrd/african-elephant-ivory-smuggling

Reading is fundamental. First case shown does not state the ivory was illegally harvested, only shipped out of the US illegally.
Second case, ditto.
Third case, ditto.
Not until the fourth case cited, from 2008, is there illegal ivory involved. 7 years ago.
Fifth case, ditto.

For the person that posted links to the other two violations... they also were not charged with having illegally harvested ivory so posting this has nothing to do with poaching.
 
Reading is fundamental. First case shown does not state the ivory was illegally harvested, only shipped out of the US illegally.
Second case, ditto.
Third case, ditto.
Not until the fourth case cited, from 2008, is there illegal ivory involved. 7 years ago.
Fifth case, ditto.

For the person that posted links to the other two violations... they also were not charged with having illegally harvested ivory so posting this has nothing to do with poaching.

However reading the actual text says there was not enough evidence either way to determine if ivory was illegally imported or not.... so saying this has nothing to do with poaching because there were no charges filed to that end is ignoring the fact that laws were intentionally violated that are in place to protect elephants and curtail poaching and the illegal trade of ivory... Those violations alone would lead me to wonder why would you think they would just stop at violating JUST those laws..
 
However reading the actual text says there was not enough evidence either way to determine if ivory was illegally imported or not.... so saying this has nothing to do with poaching because there were no charges filed to that end is ignoring the fact that laws were intentionally violated that are in place to protect elephants and curtail poaching and the illegal trade of ivory... Those violations alone would lead me to wonder why would you think they would just stop at violating JUST those laws..

I am not ignoring anything, neither am I speculating. Because the text says there is not enough evidence either way on whether it was poached or not you and others would like to believe that it was. Pre-ban ivory many times has not documentation... because non was required.

And please, maybe you or someone can tell me how a restriction on the exportation ivory that was legally imported into the US years ago curtails poaching?

And lastly, Renfro, do you ever speed while driving? Ever intentionally run a red light? My guess is that if you speed you also run red lights. :)
 
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