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I tried to watch the talkshow video on the crazyerica website. After waiting for about 2 minutes with nothing happening I gave up. But I got a good feeling from the website. I felt like I was young again, watching some hideous 90's website design on a dialup connection. Ah the good old days.

So your vision for pool is to make watching pool hideously inconvenient, and annoying so that,what like 3 people(?) can make a meager living, and the pro players can have an extra stick of gum every month. That's fantastic. I don't think anyone that run across a teaser on youtube and gets redirected to this crap will be any more patient than me, in fact I think most will just see the page and instantly press "back".
 
Goldy said:
Actually there are several websites we host that pay a lot of the server side stuff. I'm also anxious to get a few pool rooms online with instant broadcast quality HD streaming which will start generating a-lot of content. I'm excited!
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That didn't sound like a yes. This thread was started on the idea of making advertising monies. Erica says she works in marketing or something. I'd expect that would have begun, if at least on a low level. Do you plan on not advertising for this thing yourself?
 
JB Cases said:
Excluding content from the largest and first destination for video content is a death sentence for anyone who thinks that they can do better without it.

Content owners can and should do whatever they think is best with their content. Players who want to be paid royalties or a portion of ad revenue should negotiate that with content producers and refuse to be recorded without a contract in place.

But restricting already recorded matches isn't the way to go IMO. Google's payouts for ads shown before videos play or clicks on ads around videos is tiny and if your videos aren't in the tens of millions of views the money isn't enough to buy lunch. So honestly the exposure gained by presenting pool is worth far more to the industry as a whole than it can ever be to any individual's bank account from ad revenue.

Making everything PPV will essentially end up with extremely low PPV buys. I have to be EXTREMELY motivated to buy a pool match to watch later. I don't disagree totally either with the idea of making it PPV but just wanted to point out the reality that this isn't going to much money if any in player's pockets either.

I can say that as a sponsor I am far more likely to sponsor an event where the content will be freely available at some point so that my logo will have the chance to be seen by more people for a longer time. Depending on the sponsorship cost of course.
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Yes but a huge point that is being missed is steering away from selling out videos and talents of players for exposure. There are plenty of videos on YouTube to last the next 100 years. It's time to start building our own mainstream infrastructure, so we can maximize the revenue potential without a middle persons taking the traffic and the credit. (not talking about the producer).

The new platform for all who wish to use it can host their own site, and leverage the streaming CDN, which enables the live streaming production/streamer to get 100% credit for the traffic, and no diversion has to take place. We are in it to help pool. If money comes, great, if it doesn't, then oh well. At lease there will be enough revenue to cover the cost, and at this point that's better than having to reach into our own pockets, AND MOST CERTAINLY, better than the video ending up on Youtube where it instantly becomes a dead horse.
 
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Goldy said:
HUH? WE have 10,000 regular watchers of live streams. What are you talking about?

Whats very cool Supergreenman, unbeknownst to you. Since we've cornered all web traffic to 1 place to produce Video On Demand and Live Streams, we have a 100% accurate analytic report which has immensely helped us grow away from free streaming and on-demand services, which splits and diverts traffic, lowers our search engine power, and alex ranks on the internet. We want pool to be mainstream without a middle person as the vehicle to get it accomplished. We HAD youtube and ustream in the past when the technology and know-how was unobtainable. Today, this is not the case. With our CDN, we can host 30k videos with 30TB of bandwidth per month for a reasonable price.
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Blah blah blah, blahbitty blah blah blah.

How's that for unbeknownst to me? You're talking to a web developer/analyst. You can't techno babble me buddy.

Have a nice day :)
 
Banks said:
That didn't sound like a yes. This thread was started on the idea of making advertising monies. Erica says she works in marketing or something. I'd expect that would have begun, if at least on a low level. Do you plan on not advertising for this thing yourself?
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Yes, we can leverage Vpaid commercials, and all the commercials that run over YouTube's content at a time when the content becomes enough for it even to be worth it. But, work in progress. at least all the tech side and workings are in place. It's been running quite well with 250 users watching per server at 800kbit/s per channel. WE have unlimited potential as far as how many viewers we can handle, thanks to some great new apps out there.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I tried to watch the talkshow video on the crazyerica website. After waiting for about 2 minutes with nothing happening I gave up. But I got a good feeling from the website. I felt like I was young again, watching some hideous 90's website design on a dialup connection. Ah the good old days.

So your vision for pool is to make watching pool hideously inconvenient, and annoying so that,what like 3 people(?) can make a meager living, and the pro players can have an extra stick of gum every month. That's fantastic. I don't think anyone that run across a teaser on youtube and gets redirected to this crap will be any more patient than me, in fact I think most will just see the page and instantly press "back".
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They must have been resetting some of their parameters again.

Or it could be their hosting service/server is out of some operation in Hong Kong and simply not very good.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I tried to watch the talkshow video on the crazyerica website. After waiting for about 2 minutes with nothing happening I gave up. But I got a good feeling from the website. I felt like I was young again, watching some hideous 90's website design on a dialup connection. Ah the good old days.

So your vision for pool is to make watching pool hideously inconvenient, and annoying so that,what like 3 people(?) can make a meager living, and the pro players can have an extra stick of gum every month. That's fantastic. I don't think anyone that run across a teaser on youtube and gets redirected to this crap will be any more patient than me, in fact I think most will just see the page and instantly press "back".
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Well, lol. Yes. CrazyErica's site uses a theme that isn't the one we usually use for live streaming. Her site is crazy. Yes I agree its very dark, and hard to read, but it's her site, and we're working on making it a bit more friendly.

As far as watching for 2 minutes, we did shut down for a while, and re-started for a hour long discussion.. Our video player when experiencing bandwidth issues from either side will play a commercial and retry the stream in a loop every 8 seconds after the commercial/promo video is played.
 
watchez said:
They must have been resetting some of their parameters again.

Or it could be their hosting service/server is out of some operation in Hong Kong and simply not very good.
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We have some awesome hosting. We're actually in the same datacenter as YouTube. :)
 
Goldy said:
Totally unrelated to this post. You've missed the entire point.



You've totally missed the point again. If you had read the post, it states the "POTENTIAL", and not what they currently lose. Even though THEY ARE.



Again missed the point. You're taking this to a negative level, which is not the intention of this post. We're supposed to be building up the players of the sport and getting them compensation for their art/talent. I'm in total agreement and understanding that YouTube gives the pool industry essence and meaning, but the players are doing this for free, which is extremely unfair.
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It's funny that Erica chooses to post her videos on YouTube ,, for free mind you , she gets exposure that she could never get otherwise ,,
You can bet your bottom dollar if you tube is paying out it will charge to put those videos on ,,
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Goldy said:
We have some awesome hosting. We're actually in the same datacenter as YouTube. :)
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So YouTube hosts out of Hong Kong? or is it Singapore:

info I found:

IT Works Interactive Pte Ltd
2 International Business Park
#01-26 Tower 2, The Strategy
Singapore 609930

https://www.iwi.com.sg/
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Looks like hosting service (ISP) you are going thru St. Louis.

Hosting Solutions International, Inc.
210 N Tucker Blvd Suite 910, St. Louis, MO 63101
(314) 300-2200
(866) 324-5749

• Location: United States, Missouri, Saint Louis
• IPv4 Address: 209.126.117.80
• IPv4 Hostname: ospn.apleagues.net
• Nameservers: ns2.onsitepool.net, ns1.onsitepool.net
• ISP: hosting solutions international inc.
• Last Update: December 18th, 2015
 
Drop The Rock said:
Lenny, what do you think about doing commentary over muted videos if you had to?
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I have done it on matches. I even had Scott do it for Power One Pocket Volume 2 as a tutorial. I think it is very time consuming and might be best reserved for premier matches as you basically are doing the match twice. PITA! :p
 
fastone371 said:
If there was a lot of money to be made from broadcasting pool matches don't you think you would see it on TV? It sounds to me like the one time pool players really had a chance to make some money and take the sport more mainstream was when RJR (Camel) was going to sponsor the tour but the players decided to follow a different promoter who"s name I don't recall but he steered the players in a bad direction and in the end he was the only one to profit. That case was the players making bad decisions for themselves. Until you can get all the players to agree on something the sport will not change.
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Well we just saw the last failure in the Hustles , shortly after BB another miserable failure
If it was marketable someone with a whole lot more clout than Erica would have done that ,, those numbers she spews 500.000 are penny's if it was spread around to all the players evolved not to mention the ones who are doing the recordings ,, at the end of the day it might buy them all a hamburger without the bun

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i do not want the money i want the players to get the money! i love pool and want to see it grow , im sure you do as well.
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So, who cares how much money UTube makes. It is one of the best sites on the Net.

And, they do pay people for their Subscriptions and views. Good for them.

I'm probably on UTube 80% of my online time. If I want to learn a new Fly Tying Pattern, I go to Utube. If I want to visit and learn about a far off Country, I go to UTube.

If I want to research any subject, same thing.

It's not up to me/us to govern what UTube makes available. If the players or the owners of that video series doesn't like what others upload, it's up to them to notify UTube, and most likely, the content will be removed.

Until then, as the almost, well kinda Famous Justin C would say.

"Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining".

If you have a problem with UTube, you take it up with them and leave us out of the dealio.

OTay. Cause I would bet a $100 that you have your own angle happening and would only love to see a few hundred or more stream thru your site, or page, or whatever little Scamaroonie you have going.

BTW, as if no one else knows, if you are looking for movies, UTube now has hundreds.

I must have watched Pool Hall Junkies at least 4 million times now.


Hey Dave buddy, where's a good place to stay for the westerns?
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Hahaha. Dave's house, on the couch by the pool table.

I may see you there this year Buddy. Couple or 3 fellows that I missed over the last few years and would love to have a couple of cold ones with.
 
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craZyErica said:
i been going broke promoting pool for years and havent made a penny. i dont want a quarter. i just love pool
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This flies in the face of your argument. If you have marketing talent that you can use to promote pool, why not make some money along the way? I'm not suggesting that you be a vulture about it, but you might as well make something for your talent, time, and effort. If nothing else, you'd be an example of money being made in pool. The industry needs more good examples.

I don't know all the monetary variables around rights of publicity. Would it be worthwhile for pool pros to pursue a cut of posted videos? If it isn't worthwhile to pursue a cut, should they have videos taken down anyway? If the pros ask for a cut, would it be worth it for the channel owners? I don't know the answers to those questions, but pro players should.
 
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