Real Pool Reality Show crowdfunding

[watchez]

Sorry wachez, I missed this crappy remark you made. I dare you to go into that tight assed pocket of yours and buy a video stream and let me show what I can do.

Jim

Jim - I F off more money than you can imagine or what I want to think about. I got a dog so I can finally spend my money on something worthwhile. But I am not into giving out $10 donations to things that have no purpose or future. Sorry if I don't believe in your idea but it has way too many flaws. Next time a pool player is in my area, send em my way and I'll buy em dinner worth more than $10.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

If they don't promote themselves enough to generate revenue, we will find someone who will. The idea is to get a working system that will generate money for a large group of players. Even if they aren't the top players, if it works, it works.

Jim. How many Players of both Teams are Current Members of AZ Billiards?

I feel the same as the other poster who mentioned that his eyes Glaze Over every time that he sees a Crowd Funding Appeal.

The members of AZB are fairly tight knit for the most part. If anyone has paid attention over the last 3 years or more, every appeal for money, from a Pro Player to Paying for Funerals and Health Care has been met with Negative responses.

Why is that, do you personally think. People come around once a year asking for Backing and so on. Selling Books and DVDs. Then they are gone until the next time money is tight. Do they hang out once in a while, join in on a Thread, answer even a few questions once in a while. Nope.

Regardless of anything else, The Members of AZB, deserve better than that. The Day of PT Barnum's Suckers are long gone, at least for AZB they are.

The Working System that you mentioned, the responsibility lies mainly within the Players. If they don't want to lift a finger, why should anyone else.

But, I wish you the best of luck. At collecting 30 dollars a day, you should reach your goal in 2.8 years.

 

[maha]

if you want to sell video get some good video of matches and come here and offer them for sale see how you do.

you see, then you trade goods for cash and prosper if your product is worth more than the cash to people.

the reason you dont have much money to do it yourself is you are an inexperienced business person with little knowledge of how to make a buck. sorry to splash your face with it but wake up.

you may think you are doing some good but in reality not.

 

[JAM]

I used to work in-house downtown as an employee at a busy company in my industry, which is also fractured, like pool, when it comes to making money. I worked long 16-hour days, getting little to no sleep. I was getting frustrated with the so-called "office politics" and the sleep deprivation, so much so that I wanted to quit, leave the company, and get out there on my own. I remember telling a few coworkers, "I'm going to start my own company and never have to work like this again."

They would chuckle and laugh at me, "Yeah, right. Well, how come you're still working here with the rest of us? Ha-ha." Every time I would get infuriated with my work situation, I would spend time at home working on creating my own niche in the industry.

Well, one day, I finally broke free and began to work on my own. Within a year, I had a solid client base. Meanwhile, the owner of the company I worked for, a really nice man, passed away suddenly, and the company went under. All those employees who laughed at me were without a job, but I was out there on my own making money.

The moral of the story is if you want something bad enough, you can get it, no matter what the obstacles and what is said by Debbie Doubters and Negative Nellies. As the saying goes, there are three types of people in this world: those who make it happen, those who watch what happens, and those who wonder what happened. :wink:

 

[9andout]

Never for one moment thought Earl did his own social media.

Definitely does! I always though you could tell by the posts. With Twitter at least. Also asked him about it before.
But was verified when I saw him tweeting after a match at the Open. Then it popped right up on my phone.

 

[PETROBOY]

I just watched some videos of some of these players I had never heard of, I would not pay anything to watch them play. They are far from professional pool players. If you are concerned that only a few pros make a living then you are doing nothing to help that. Fill the rosters with Pro players and you will have a chance to sell videos. Who will pay to watch players that their own halls are full of? Good luck Jim.


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[Nostroke]

Definitely does! I always though you could tell by the posts. With Twitter at least. Also asked him about it before.
But was verified when I saw him tweeting after a match at the Open. Then it popped right up on my phone.

I always thought they sounded more like Diana Hoppe- on FB anyway-I dont do twitter. It was just a bad assumption i guess.

 

[justadub]

I always thought they sounded more like Diana Hoppe- on FB anyway-I dont do twitter. It was just a bad assumption i guess.

Its certainly conceivable that he has someone posting the appearance stuff, in an official manner, given how those posts appear. I've seen him say that the comments on his Facebook accounts are his own, so perhaps someone manages the appearance stuff and he handles any posts that are in the realm of "comments".

(I don't do Twitter either.)

 

[jimM]

Right

Well Jim, that's how tournaments work. Wouldn't be much of a competition if everyone got paid. It's a contest. I know you are too old to be from the "Every Kid Gets a Trophy" era.

Also, to answer your sarcastic question, that is a good deal. That's 25 percent of the field. You only have to win 2 matches to cash.

You play well, you get paid. You play like shit, get better so you can get paid next time.

Only trouble is no one can live on it.

Jim

 

[336Robin]

Absolutely

Absolutely,
I replied to the original post and he took it as a negative but it really wasn't it was more about how to compartmentalize the way to look at it.

I see this effort as similar in nature to the American Rotation effort to get money the pockets of the players and I haven't checked in on that but I suspect its flagging some places and flourishing in others.

For me it all comes down to the one thing you mentioned. There are doers, there are sayers and naysayers.

If today the BCA were to step up and say to the world of pool......We apologize. We took a bad direction and we want to include as many people in the success of pool as we can so we are going to start a whole new deal geared around making a Pro Circuit of Tournaments and getting pool visible to the general public, even though what they did were well organized with a business plan, I would doubt they got much support.

I referred to conscience in my first post and that is what I am talking about. There aren't many players who have the conscience to try something even if its a little something that might not work. I may or may not support this but that's not the point, I have and still support some things that I prefer to remain silent about but I will tell you this, it cost a hell of a lot more than $10 and likely I will get nothing from it. It came down to did I believe in something and I did and my conscience told me what to do. It's just a shame that when someone does stand up to do something that there is no organization within the industry to take a look at it and either endorse the effort or not. If there were such organized bodies to do such those of us who wanted to do something out of a love for the game could do so with a clear conscience.

Instead we are all Mom and Pop organizations, trying to figure out how to make it work against overwhelming odds and that uses up a lot resources and bankrupts a lot people who started out with a love for the game of pool.

I used to work in-house downtown as an employee at a busy company in my industry, which is also fractured, like pool, when it comes to making money. I worked long 16-hour days, getting little to no sleep. I was getting frustrated with the so-called "office politics" and the sleep deprivation, so much so that I wanted to quit, leave the company, and get out there on my own. I remember telling a few coworkers, "I'm going to start my own company and never have to work like this again."

They would chuckle and laugh at me, "Yeah, right. Well, how come you're still working here with the rest of us? Ha-ha." Every time I would get infuriated with my work situation, I would spend time at home working on creating my own niche in the industry.

Well, one day, I finally broke free and began to work on my own. Within a year, I had a solid client base. Meanwhile, the owner of the company I worked for, a really nice man, passed away suddenly, and the company went under. All those employees who laughed at me were without a job, but I was out there on my own making money.

The moral of the story is if you want something bad enough, you can get it, no matter what the obstacles and what is said by Debbie Doubters and Negative Nellies. As the saying goes, there are three types of people in this world: those who make it happen, those who watch what happens, and those who wonder what happened. :wink:

 

[jimM]

?

Well if this show ever gets off the ground and all the same players are still in it
I wonder which player will loose his cool first.
So who gets to stand up and say I am a idiot first ..........:thumbup:


Any action on this one ?

Please be more clear about your hate. What are you talking about?

Jim

 

[jimM]

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Jim - I F off more money than you can imagine or what I want to think about. I got a dog so I can finally spend my money on something worthwhile. But I am not into giving out $10 donations to things that have no purpose or future. Sorry if I don't believe in your idea but it has way too many flaws. Next time a pool player is in my area, send em my way and I'll buy em dinner worth more than $10.

Hey Watchez,
Wow, you were up late hating last night. Didn't think that you could be more disrespectful, but I was wrong.

Jim

 

[Icon of Sin]

Only trouble is no one can live on it.

Jim

Well Jim, there is the other dilemma... winning contests isnt meant to be money to be lived off of because that money is uncertain. Even if you are the best in the world, there is still no guarantee that you are going to win enough tournments that month to cover your bills and expenses.

Even in a lucrative sport like golf. Even though the top players can most certainly live off placing somewhere in the middle of the tournament they still have that back up plan of endorsements and sponsorships from car companies, watch companies, club manufactuers, Liquor companies, banks, clothing companies etc etc. The amount and types of corporations that endorse that sport are insane. Since pool is similar in regards to scheduled tournaments and not weekly league play like NFL, MLB, etc, then that is the type of sponsorship it will need. Yet even in one of the places that pool is played the most it cant even get a beer sponsor.

That is something pool will never have, that level of sponsorship from companies that make enough money to do it because they can gamble on that putting their name on a player will bring them more money.

If "The Hustlers" couldnt make player sponsorships improve, then your show wont either nor will any other show. I mean the most recongnized pool player we have, Jeanette Lee, is doing commercials for Bass Pro shops... and outdoors sporting company... it's just laughable.

 

[jimM]

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if you want to sell video get some good video of matches and come here and offer them for sale see how you do.

you see, then you trade goods for cash and prosper if your product is worth more than the cash to people.

the reason you dont have much money to do it yourself is you are an inexperienced business person with little knowledge of how to make a buck. sorry to splash your face with it but wake up.

you may think you are doing some good but in reality not.

This is one of the most irritating kind of haters. Before you can insult me, you should come out from under your rock and tell me what your real name is. What you do for a living. If you started a business and how long has it been running. How much start up money did you have. Where you live and what credentials you have to call any other person inexperienced.

When you do this, and I check you out, then I'll try to respond to your insults. If you don't give anything out, then I will know that you are just another #$%^@# hiding behind a rock and spewing hate.

Jim

 

[jimM]

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Well Jim, there is the other dilemma... winning contests isnt meant to be money to be lived off of because that money is uncertain. Even if you are the best in the world, there is still no guarantee that you are going to win enough tournments that month to cover your bills and expenses.

Even in a lucrative sport like golf. Even though the top players can most certainly live off placing somewhere in the middle of the tournament they still have that back up plan of endorsements and sponsorships from car companies, watch companies, club manufactuers, Liquor companies, banks, clothing companies etc etc. The amount and types of corporations that endorse that sport are insane. Since pool is similar in regards to scheduled tournaments and not weekly league play like NFL, MLB, etc, then that is the type of sponsorship it will need. Yet even in one of the places that pool is played the most it cant even get a beer sponsor.

That is something pool will never have, that level of sponsorship from companies that make enough money to do it because they can gamble on that putting their name on a player will bring them more money.

If "The Hustlers" couldnt make player sponsorships improve, then your show wont either nor will any other show. I mean the most recongnized pool player we have, Jeanette Lee, is doing commercials for Bass Pro shops... and outdoors sporting company... it's just laughable.

Are you trying to convince me not to try anything? If you think that anyone who has been able to make half a million dollars a year is laughable. You are a bigger hater than I even could imagine. Nothing is good enough for you. And who are you anyway? Come out of the shadows and tell us your credentials to make such stupid comments.

Jim

 

[cleary]

Isn't Raphael Debreo "Superstar" on here?

lol no. Absolutely not.

 

[jimM]

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Jim. How many Players of both Teams are Current Members of AZ Billiards?

I feel the same as the other poster who mentioned that his eyes Glaze Over every time that he sees a Crowd Funding Appeal.

The members of AZB are fairly tight knit for the most part. If anyone has paid attention over the last 3 years or more, every appeal for money, from a Pro Player to Paying for Funerals and Health Care has been met with Negative responses.

Why is that, do you personally think. People come around once a year asking for Backing and so on. Selling Books and DVDs. Then they are gone until the next time money is tight. Do they hang out once in a while, join in on a Thread, answer even a few questions once in a while. Nope.

Regardless of anything else, The Members of AZB, deserve better than that. The Day of PT Barnum's Suckers are long gone, at least for AZB they are.

The Working System that you mentioned, the responsibility lies mainly within the Players. If they don't want to lift a finger, why should anyone else.

But, I wish you the best of luck. At collecting 30 dollars a day, you should reach your goal in 2.8 years.

I really don't understand how anyone can be so proud of being insensitive and cheap. If something is worth giving to, you should. If it isn't, you shouldn't. It's the trying to damage everything as though you actually have a better idea.

I think that you haters have degraded the value of AZ to a great extent. Bragging about how nothing is good enough for you is probably why very few pro players come to this forum. The ones I've talked to have a very negative view of it.

I'm not sure if everyone on here is like you, but if it has come down to that, it is just incest. You're just passing second rate information in circles.

I'd like to hear from some of the people who aren't haters if there are any. Maybe you wonderful guys have intimidated them. Or maybe they just don't exist.

I doubt that the people who started this forum ever thought it would come to a point where you boast about being negative about someone's funeral or anything of importance to a player.

Jim

 

[watchez]

Hey Watchez,
Wow, you were up late hating last night. Didn't think that you could be more disrespectful, but I was wrong.

Jim

I'm disrespectful? Oh ok. Funny I thought that of you when you spent all morning calling everyone you thinks your idea stinks a hater or an idiot.

Go back to selling over priced pool cases and stick to what you know. You couldn't promote free bananas to a monkey.

And you want to hear from people that aren't haters? You have collected $75. Doesn't that tell you that people that think your idea is promising don't exist.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Are you trying to convince me not to try anything? If you think that anyone who has been able to make half a million dollars a year is laughable. You are a bigger hater than I even could imagine. Nothing is good enough for you. And who are you anyway? Come out of the shadows and tell us your credentials to make such stupid comments.

Jim

My name is Heath and I live in Baltimore, MD. Some people from here and another Pool forum know me and have met me in person. I will be at the Billiards expo as well. I'm not hiding from anyone nor am I "in the shadows". I'm just a pool player and have no credentials.

What's laughable isnt the fact that she is making that much money, it's the fact that a top pool pro and our most reconignized player has to do commericials for a sporting company which has absolutely nothing to do with pool. That is what is laughable.

The first time I saw one of those commercials, I was thinking, what the hell is Jeanette doing there and on top of that, the only way the general public would have been able to differentiate her from any other random pretty girl is that they had to put a little subtitle under her name labeling her as a Billiards Champion.

That is what is laughable Jim.

I'm not trying to convince you to do nothing. I'm trying to show you that asking an already broke and untrusting community for money is not going to go well especially when a previous attempt at a pool reality show which actually went mainstream did not get renewed for a second season.

Hell, if anything, I would watch your show because I'm a pool player. The other thing I'm trying to say is that the non-pool playing public will not.

 

[justadub]

Are you trying to convince me not to try anything? If you think that anyone who has been able to make half a million dollars a year is laughable. You are a bigger hater than I even could imagine. Nothing is good enough for you. And who are you anyway? Come out of the shadows and tell us your credentials to make such stupid comments.

Jim

This is a forum. Surely you understand that not everyone is going to agree with you on a public forum. I thought Icon's reply was respectful and well thought out. In no way did it appear to be "hateful".

You would do better in your approach in trying to attract people to funding your project if you would stop throwing out the term "hater" and firing away at anyone who is making a point that doesn't agree with yours. Otherwise, why would anyone want to contribute to a project run by someone who flies off the handle at conversation on a public forum?