ABR Special Report - French Press Conference

[Jaden]

I'm a player and typically not into backing...

That is one interpretation.

My interpretation of French's side is just like Eddie and Vince, and Eddie and Burt. French puts up ALL expenses, from food to travel to entry fees to table time practice. In return, Dennis gives French 50% of his prize money. Dennis only gives 50% of gross prize money. Not net prize money, which would be the profit over the entry fee.

Anyway, both interpretations are fair. The contract blows, and is not clear at all.

I'm thinking Dennis did not give French a single dime from any of his DCC winnings. And I'm using the word dime as 10 cents, not 1K. Lets see what Jay finds out.

However, once or twice I've backed a player in a tourney that couldn't afford to put themselves in.

I remember one year, I asked CJ (not wiley) if he was going to play the swannee. He said, no he didn't have the money. I said dude, play, I'll put you in.

We both ended up getting 25th that year and getting 150 bucks.

I didn't ask for half. I just asked for $65, the entry fee back. If he had won more. I would've expected the $65 back and then 50% of whatever was left after I got the entry back, so long as the amount he won was enough more than that that he would get more than the entry fee.

so in this case I would expect Dennis to give him the 6500 back at the least and probably the 50%, or the $10363 or whatever it was...

For a player to expect to get his cake and eat it too, is kind of pathetic. If you can't put yourself in and cover your own expenses, you gotta be ready to pay the piper.

UNLESS, you are sponsored and are giving your sponsor an advertising added value.

Jaden <-----was sponsored for the mezz tour and wasn't expected to give it back if winnings weren't greater than other expenses...

 

[BeiberLvr]

What would be lame is to let someone profit from your money match without giving you a dime.

Yeah, because people that bet on matches and win are always giving some of it to the players. Right? Is that what you're saying?

Try thinking before you post next time.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Yeah, because people that bet on matches and win are always giving some of it to the players. Right? Is that what you're saying?

Try thinking before you post next time.

I had a BIG guy who made money betting on me who never gave me a dime, but he had a gun and would shoot anybody's ass who bothered me. Is that worth anything?

 

[bicki]

Does anyone know if John Morra and Jason Shaw signed the same sort of contract Denis did? If so, French would be entitled to receive his share from DCC. At least from Shaw it would be around 10k...

Or had Jason the same verbal agreement with French re possible backing in future matches like Darren?

 

[GideonF]

Yeah, because people that bet on matches and win are always giving some of it to the players. Right? Is that what you're saying?



Try thinking before you post next time.

That's not the same thing at all.

Why would the players play on a part per view stream without demanding a cut or some other compensation? It's not like a tournament where the player has to agree to the steam if they want to play. Here, if someone wants to stream it for money, they should expect to pay the players.

 

[BeiberLvr]

That's not the same thing at all.

Why would the players play on a part per view stream without demanding a cut or some other compensation? It's not like a tournament where the player has to agree to the steam if they want to play. Here, if someone wants to stream it for money, they should expect to pay the players.

1. No player is ever obligated to let any gambling match be streamed. It's one thing if the streamer offers a cut of the stream money to the player(s) to get them to play. Entirely different when a player demands it.

2. I'm pretty certain you didn't understand my comment to Satori about people winning side bets not giving money to the players, so I'll explain it with a question.

How many people that place bets in the Action Room on gambling matches, and win, do you think send the winning player a cut?

 

[actionplayer]

sound like dennis is in the states for a jolly up
plays on other dimes doesnt pay poor sportsmanship deceiving fans
sounds like a disgrace
even before french interview thought this
if a quarter of what french is true dennis absolute scumbag

 

[GideonF]

1. No player is ever obligated to let any gambling match be streamed. It's one thing if the streamer offers a cut of the stream money to the player(s) to get them to play. Entirely different when a player demands it.



2. I'm pretty certain you didn't understand my comment to Satori about people winning side bets not giving money to the players, so I'll explain it with a question.



How many people that place bets in the Action Room on gambling matches, and win, do you think send the winning player a cut?

1. You and I agree that no player is obligated to let a gambling match be streamed. Why do you think it is different if the player asks for a cut of the stream or simply doesn't agree to allow the steam unless he is offered a cut?

2. I think I did understand your point. I say the situations are not analogous. In the case of the stream, the player can say he's not going to allow the stream unless he gets paid and I see nothing wrong with that. In the case of the rail (or virtual rail) the player has no control over it and no way of demanding his "jelly".

Gideon

 

[gxman]

It was also mentioned in another thread that French didn't have a room so he slept in Dennis' room that was provided by DCC b/c he was a previous winner?

Dennis didnt want to share the room with French so he left and shared a room with Bergman and others.

 

[POVPOOL]

French had stated that, in regards to the contract with Ko, "This agreement (with Ko) has been in the making for 6 months."

So you mean to tell me that Ko and Company show up to Steinway without enough money or backing to play a 10K match and without enough money to go to Derby City and that they need French to help them get to Derby? Ludicrous!

It sounds to me like EVERYONE is backpedaling here; that this match was NEVER going to be for 20k in the middle and somehow, somewhere people found out that there was only 5k in the middle; and so to everyone's amazement, they still agreed NOT to adjust the advertised amount because this was their intention in the first place; to put on a fake exhibition advertised at 20k when it really wasn't.

French: If you have an agreement that is 6 months in the making with Ko Pin Yi, you're a lot more involved in every detail of an event than you lead people to believe. Steinway owner, Upstate AL, Mandy and The Players, you're the ones responsible for being honest about the advertised amount. You're not supposed to go along with some backer who spins an event that is not real in the first place. I don't care if Dennis set up the match in the first place, it's the backers, the streamers and the promotors who are doing all of the advertising and it is their direct responsibility to make sure the money is there.

People criticize my streams for putting the money on camera before they play - NOW YOU KNOW WHY I DO IT!

If I were streaming this event, I would have NO PART IN IT, if the promotor, players or room owner/s were asking me to put on a fake ass match. I would have come out and said, "You know, these guys are supposed to be in it for 20k but the money isn't right. That being said, the players are still going to give you a show. We hope you like the show"

I repeat! EVERYONE INVOLVED IS BACKPEDALING!!! FRENCH, DENNIS, KO PIN YI, UPSTATE AL, MANNY - they are all afraid to tell you the truth. That, from the beginning they all knew this match was not right, but they decided to do it anyway because of the door money and the PPV sales.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist...

 

[GoldenFlash]

This thread could go forever...let's make sure. Watch.

It was also mentioned in another thread that French didn't have a room so he slept in Dennis' room that was provided by DCC b/c he was a previous winner?
Dennis didnt want to share the room with French so he left and shared a room with Bergman and others.

How to make this thread go on "forever"===> Simply imply that one of the players is an advocate of CTE aiming methods. (gotta' be good for at least 100 more posts)
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[jay helfert]

Jay,

What is the entry into the Bigfoot? JF claimed that Dennis had free entry to this as a past all around champ. Is that true?


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No it is not! One more lie revealed by French.

 

[GoldenFlash]

It was also mentioned in another thread that French didn't have a room so he slept in Dennis' room that was provided by DCC b/c he was a previous winner?
Dennis didnt want to share the room with French so he left and shared a room with Bergman and others.

Maybe French has smelly feets?

 

[gxman]

So it wasn't quite clear(I havent listen to French's press conference - at work), where did the 2500 from Dennis' side came from? Was it from Dennis b/c I thought French had 0 on the match(besides what he was betting on the rail).

 

[jay helfert]

How sweet of a deal would it have been for Dennis to have someone put him into every tournament he played in, pay for his living expenses, etc. and Dennis gets to keep 50% of what he wins? That alone would have been sweet and then on top of that the guy is willing to help him financially to get a good immigration lawyer, the guy says that he is putting together a T.V. deal together, is getting him sponsors, etc. That would have been sweet.

The problem is that John could not supply that imo. I think all French really wanted was to roll with the big dogs. It seems to me that French wanted to be a big shot in the pool world which he knew nothing about. A guy willing to pay for friendship is bound to get taken advantage of in any industry. I think John promised the world perhaps wanting to buy some respect. A lot of people knew he couldn't deliver what he was saying and used his desires to hustle him. John got out easy imo. I do think that Dennis' best bet though is to give him the 65 and get out of that dumb contract and everyone moves on.

FYI Dennis has had a tournament sponsor for many years who paid all his expenses in return for 30% of his winnings. 50-50 would not be an attractive deal for him. When I spoke with Dennis last he told me that he thought the contract only pertained to DVD sales and nothing else. He never read it and wouldn't understand it if he did. His English reading comprehension is about third grade level. John French told him the contract was only a formality for the guy who was producing the DVD. Dennis was misled, of that I'm sure.

I intend to ask Dennis about all these things when I see him in person. I prefer face to face when you really want to find out the truth. I don't like what I'm hearing either and I will get to the bottom of it!

 

[klone]

Our military has a term for all this - situation normal, all f'd up (SNAFU)...


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[GoldenFlash]

FYI Dennis has had a tournament sponsor for many years who paid all his expenses in return for 30% of his winnings. 50-50 would not be an attractive deal for him. When I spoke with Dennis last he told me that he thought the contract only pertained to DVD sales and nothing else. He never read it and wouldn't understand it if he did. His English reading comprehension is about third grade level. John French told him the contract was only a formality for the guy who was producing the DVD. Dennis was misled, of that I'm sure.
I intend to ask Dennis about all these things when I see him in person. I prefer face to face when you really want to find out the truth. I don't like what I'm hearing either and I will get to the bottom of it!

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[(((Satori)))]

FYI Dennis has had a tournament sponsor for many years who paid all his expenses in return for 30% of his winnings. 50-50 would not be an attractive deal for him. When I spoke with Dennis last he told me that he thought the contract only pertained to DVD sales and nothing else. He never read it and wouldn't understand it if he did. His English reading comprehension is about third grade level. John French told him the contract was only a formality for the guy who was producing the DVD. Dennis was misled, of that I'm sure.

I would rather have someone paying for my tournament and living expenses taking 50 than someone who only puts me in a tournament and takes 30.

Maybe Dennis didn't understand the contract or maybe he did but it seems he was certainly willing to take the money John was giving. What did Dennis think John wanted in return? For example what did Dennis think John wanted in return for giving him money to go to the Derby? It sounds like Dennis was willing to take John's money is all I'm saying but from what John is saying whenever John talked to Dennis about giving him his half Dennis didn't want to talk. I think John was too free with his money here.

 

[Nick B]

Come on guys. What did people actually expect? French was not going to go on ABR and open up his sole and reveal all. As for Dennis same holds true. Dennis knew the contract was BS but if it got him through to the SVB match then it was a means to an end.

When things don't make sense then typically your data is distorted or you don't have the correct field of view. Dennis is not some sort of 17 year old naïve prodigy who is just young, dumb and full of cum who is just happy to play. He's a grown man who grew up in a pool hall and has been doing this for half his life and supports a family. I just have to assume he's seasoned enough to manage his money and make deals in English (or get help). My English is bad...blah blah blah. Come on now. My late Father lived in Canada for 40 years and never spoke as well as Dennis. Along the way be bought and sold a dozen business and homes. You get by and when you don't understand you get help. Especially when their is money on the table.

French appears to have some means and operates a business. If pool was lucrative a top 5 player like Dennis would be ignorant to require a backer. It's advantageous for the player and the backers get off on showing off their shinny rock or whatever personally motivates them to do it. Probably just love of the game and being in the middle of the action (biggest cock syndrome).

When you put two scorpions in a box there are only two things in question:
1. Who will pinch who?
2. When?
We all know how it finishes.

Dennis was trying to pinch French. French was trying to pinch Dennis. Looking for virtue in a whorehouse is futile.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Does anyone know if John Morra and Jason Shaw signed the same sort of contract Denis did? If so, French would be entitled to receive his share from DCC. At least from Shaw it would be around 10k...

Or had Jason the same verbal agreement with French re possible backing in future matches like Darren?

French said that the Ko brothers did sign a very similar contract as Dennis. Not sure about the others.