I do not get your intentions of attacking me. I guess you think I am looking to justify myself. I am not. You made your case and I appreciate your comment. I do not appreciate being attacked.
Etiquette question: Picking up a leaning cue during shot
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Are you going to base your etiquette (on anything) on the half that doesn't happen to mind?
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Of course, for the half that do mind.
If half think an action is bad etiquette, then guess what? I won't do it. Doesn't matter at all if I personally don't think it's bad etiquette.
Analogy:
You poll a group of people on whether or not something you said is offensive. Half say yes, they are offended; half say "they should grow a pair and not let it bother them." Is your conclusion that there is no offense? Your logic is wrong.
I think the term "shark move" is clouding the conversation. "Getting sharked" can happen whether or not there was intent. If your actions let to someone "getting sharked" then you should adjust your behavior. Were your actions a "shark move"? Not necessarily. Did you actions lead to someone "getting sharked"? Absolutely.
If your opponent is a stand-up kind of person, you should make an apology along the lines of "I'm sorry that my actions contributed to what happened" and likely they will reciprocate with an apology of their own. You can continue playing them and everyone is happy.
Yep.
I cut a fart but the other guy couldn't have smelled it - then he complained about it.
The thing is cwong79, you were not playing against *you*. Just because you don't take it that way, doesn't mean that a huge number of other people don't take it that way. What other people do has no bearing whatsoever on what is *right*. I will extend you the "same courtesy" of sitting down and being quiet and sitting still *regardless* of whether or not you extend that courtesy to me. Right is right, and I don't allow the shortcomings of others to dictate my behavior. The bottom line is that your actions influenced the outcome of the game. The entire concept of "gamesmanship" is based on the immaturity and insecurity of little children that think they are "mentally tough". What a laugh. How ironic. To me, mental toughness is when you sit there and take whatever the opponent gives, and if he beats you, no matter how sick you feel, you smile and shake his hand and say "good match".
There is no question that one must have a thick skill, tough nerves, and the ability to tune out distractions. When I die, I'd like to look back and correctly see myself as one of the guys that tried hard to do that, not as one of the guys that made that necessary. Again, to each his own...
KMRUNOUT
By this "logic" then, it would be entirely permissible for your opponent to put on a clown suit with no pants and do cartwheels while singing a song about how you are going to miss. Hey, if your attention is there, it aint where it should be. Its only different by magnitude, not quality. Oh, and before you go that route, he only did it to calm himself while he's playing. It wasn't intentionally to shark you or anything.
Sorry man, but you missed the point. It's not about what foolishness you can fade. Its about what foolishness you provide to have to fade. Those are two totally different things. If you're opponent is twirling his cue like a baton, your ability to tune that out has zero impact on whether or not it is unsportsmanlike. Zero.
KMRUNOUT
I wonder if you have considered that if you sit and not move, you won't have to worry about who you will or won't bother. You will be agreeable to *everyone*. Isn't that something a person would want?
KMRUNOUT
Yes. There are mature people in this world, and immature people. The mature ones deal with the immature ones because they have to. The immature ones deal with the immature ones too. The difference is that they think is has to be that way, because that's just how people are. Be tough, so you can tolerate the immature. What a great get out of jail free card for half the people.
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You are correct, that was a thought. But my opponent wasn't sitting either. If he was, I would be sitting as well. Now I can't say what he was doing exactly because I was not focusing on him.
Take it easy. You live and learn. How long have you been playing? Poolroom or bar? :smile:
While I wholeheartedly agree with easy e and his position in this thread, I also 100% agree with you that an attack is out of line. You should *not* quit pool. If you actually took what has been said in this thread and have decided to alter your behavior, then I must say I have great respect for that. It takes a lot of mental toughness and maturity to search oneself. I'm glad you posted. I always want a greater ability to focus. I also always want a greater ability to eliminate any possible thing that could possibly distract my opponent. I have been accused of sharking by taking a drink of water, eating food, etc. I make a very strong effort to not do so, or to move or speak in any way, the moment my opponent begins to get down on a shot.
Anyway rep to you.
KMRUNOUT
I'll tell you what I've read: That you believe it's good etiquette to sit still while your opponent is shooting just like most everyone else in this thread, but that you still like to insult the people that you agree with as crybabies.
If by satisfying one half, I can satisfy both halves, then um, yeah I'm gonna base it on half.
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Great, you a mental giant. But you were focusing on "him" while he was shooting and preparing to go rack the balls. Why so much focus on him??
Just sit down and watch the game, and let the game decide what you do next. If you think the game is in the bag, be a sport, and tell him "it's good" and go get the rack.
I am going to guess most of you panzy asses that cant focus without utter silence and a motionless environment don't have kids or a wife as you have yet to master the ability to tone things out and focus on what you want to focus on.
Much like if you have a new born baby and are the type that constantly try to keep everything quiet because "the baby is sleeping" you are doing yourself and the child a disservice. They need to learn to sleep when there are distractions and noise around them or they will never get good sleep which means neither will the parents.
Much like playing our game. If you are one of those people that always plays in an isolated place with no noise and no distractions you are doing yourself a disservice. If you can't play with a jukebox running, people getting in your way or bumping you or with people up and about doing/saying stupid things that may or may not be related to your match then you probably need to venture out of that velvet box you have confined yourself into.
If you have never had to reset the balls because someone bumped your cue causing you to hit the Que ball, then you have never really lived life.
Much like if you have a new born baby and are the type that constantly try to keep everything quiet because "the baby is sleeping" you are doing yourself and the child a disservice. They need to learn to sleep when there are distractions and noise around them or they will never get good sleep which means neither will the parents.
Much like playing our game. If you are one of those people that always plays in an isolated place with no noise and no distractions you are doing yourself a disservice. If you can't play with a jukebox running, people getting in your way or bumping you or with people up and about doing/saying stupid things that may or may not be related to your match then you probably need to venture out of that velvet box you have confined yourself into.
If you have never had to reset the balls because someone bumped your cue causing you to hit the Que ball, then you have never really lived life.
I hear you. Honestly, it is a bit hypocritical of your opponent to complain about what you were doing if he was doing something similar himself. I guess again it goes back to what I said in the other post. Best not to let the actions of others dictate what we do ourselves. Do what is best even if the other guy does what is worst. I'd rather be best than worst, you know?
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