Corey Deuel Controversial 10-Ball break at SBE

I remember reading a few years back that Corey had quit pool to pursue a career in professional golf........reason being...... There's no $ in pool. Can't say I blame him.

I'll look for my source where I read that and hopefully be able to link it in this reply.
 
haystj said:
It was alternating breaks. Corey didn't break hard once

Not sure of the stats but I think it was 10-6 at the end.

Shane broke and ran out one rack, I think.

Believe me,,, that break did not help Corey one bit. Esp. when he fouled on the break and gave Shane BIH.... Shane picked that rack apart and ran out.
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Happy to hear that corey's break did not get to Shane's game (mentally). It looked like Shane was really upset by it. That is great that shane got the best of that safety break. I guess Corey will need to try something new , or just try his best to play normal (breaking normal, like most of the other pro players would be doing on the same tables).
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Not sure why age has anything to do with having an opinion. Good logic :)

Not questioning his overall resume, just his recent wins, which excludes anything that screams top tier.

How about you state some evidence instead of just insinuating someone is dumb or high just because they can form a valid opinion that differs from your own. What grade did you drop out of?
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Valid opinion? Get a clue. You brought up age.
 
boogeyman said:
Creativity is only one component of overall skill.
Although I agree that Corey is extremely creative,
I respectfully disagree with you that Deuel would be
THE best player in the world had he focused on pool.
When did he NOT? He's always played pool.

In fact, he also played a little snooker, which should have benefited him.

Not everyone who "focuses" on pool stands to be the best in the world.
Certainly not Corey.
We shouldn't confuse creativity with actual skill.
They are two different dynamics. Think trick shots vs. actual competition.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think Corey is living the clean and healthy life.
I have the impression that he has gone through life without good direction.

Yes, he learned some good pool from Jimmy Caras, but don't be fooled by appearances,
I don't think he is "all there" when it comes to his actual life.

I do admit that he could have been a better player had he had some good guidance.
I think he has wasted a few years not focusing on his life alongside pool.

He's still young. He should go to school and get another skill besides pool.
His constant "bucking the pool system" gives me the impression he is a bit "lost" within the pool profession.

Unfortunately, I think in a few years he will be out of the pool scene completely.
Just my gut feeling.

Someone assure me my feelings are totally wrong.
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i think your post is totally wrong and out of line
not sure how a soft break debate (he's been doing this for years btw) turned into criticism and presumptions of his lifestyle)

Corey is a crown jewel in the world of pro pool imo, yeah he does thing differently, but that's him, I don't advocate spending countless hours on gaff shots and snooker dreams but that's how he does, he also doesn't train in dr dave idiot techniques or all the bs from all the other posers here

most people here could never begin to understand a lifestyle of doing what you want and escheing traditional lifestyles and ways of thinking whilst being happy doing so
 
Your comments are bordering on something you might hear a barbanger say when he gets a safety played on him.

There is no honor in a shot. Its legal or it isn't...

Corey was trying somethinghing. He's been known to do that, from time to time.

justinb386 said:
I think that is just wrong (playing safety on the break), and should not be a legal break. I guess it is legal though, if they do not have any rule against doing that type of thing.

Lol, that was really funny though , the way corey just looked straight ahead while it seemed like Shane was giving him the evil eye, and maybe saying something to him about it?

Where is the honor in breaking like that? Do a lot of players not have any honor, and will do anything they can to win, if it is not against the rules? Is it all just about money? This just does not seem right, and makes pool look bad I think.
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Corey is a bad mofo. That is not up for debate.

Saying he isn't a player is like sayin Mike Tyson isn't a boxer... Not too many wanna throw down with him yesterday, today or tomorrow.
 
If he played within the rules , wheres the beef?
I think it's a smart move, he knows if he gets in a breaking contest with Shane he will lose more often than not.
If he makes it so Shane has to outthink him every shot , he has a much better chance of winning, and lets face it , winning is what counts.
 
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justinb386 said:
Happy to hear that corey's break did not get to Shane's game (mentally). It looked like Shane was really upset by it. That is great that shane got the best of that safety break. I guess Corey will need to try something new , or just try his best to play normal (breaking normal, like most of the other pro players would be doing on the same tables).
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When Corey knocked Shane out of the U.S. Open 1P today I hope his soft break didn't leave Shane with any mental scars.
 
Worminator said:
I agree




That break is designed to break and run... make the 1 in the side and get shape on the 2. If you don't make the 1, your opponent gets what Shane got. Corey is the most creative breaker the game has ever seen IMO.
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I have to say, that's a really powerful break if the 1 goes in half the time or more! That assumes that Cory is allowed to put the 2 ball into one of the corner spots every time he breaks.
 
justinb386 said:
That is really interesting. Corey did not think of new ways to great back in his prime though, or did he? When did he start thinking of all these creative ideas? I still think it is wrong, and should not be legal. Just my opinion. It just looks boring , and bad for pools image.
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Justin, I agree with you that soft breaking is EXTREMELY boring. The honor thing not so much. I will say I think it's a pusssseeeee move. With that being said I have employed the soft break at least once in the past. And when I say SOFT, I MEAN SOFT!

Years ago I was playing a road agent that was coming thru town. I think he was from New York , and it MAY have been Kid Delicious but not sure because it's been so long ago ( '99 ish??? ) I was getting a huge spot - the call 5,7,9 on the breaks and free after the break . Was getting all the breaks too. Race to 9 for $500. We were playing three foul because 99% of the time I will refuse to play regardless of my opponent or game. No matter what I triedo I just could not get my break going. This was not the reason but may have been part of the reason - playing on a triple shimmed GC3 with day old 760. Anyway NOTHING! Couldn't make a ball on the break to save my life and IF I did I scratched. Well they must have thought they were stealing; even with all that weight, I was getting absolutely destroyed and lost like 9-1 or maybe even 9-0!

After the first set I said I need to adjust or I quit, flashing a nice knot on the payoff. They said I'm not sure how much more weight I can give you ???? I said I only want a tiny adjustment. I said the only thing I want to do is not play 3 foul and I won play for less than a thousand. He must have thought I had lost my mind because 3 foul had not even remotely came close to coming into play. Pretty much every rack I'd break, they run out. Over and over again. Anyway he said sure although he didn't want to raise the bet ( obviously wasn't smart after the first set but greed took over and he agreed ).

So starting with the very first break, I rolled the cue ball into the 1 ball as slow as I could. No balls to any rails and pretty much no balls even leaving the rack. I gave them ball in hand every rack and there were NO MORE run outs from my break. Now I have a full third of the rack evenly spaced with free money balls. No three foul to worry about - caused him to have to play better than perfect. He was definitely PISSED but I won like 9-3,4. Soon as that set was over he wanted to adjust back to the 3 foul. I was now in his pocket and said no thanks, are you done then??? Of course he wasn't and I believe I bursted him like that but in any case I ended up $2500 winners. Hey there was no " honor " in winning that way but I got the cheez. I'm gonna do whatever I have to ( within reason ) to get that cheez and while it certainly was not planned out from the beginning I ended up trapping him with my " soft break " lol ��
 
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King T said:
When Corey was winning the field of competition was smaller, mostly American players, once he had to start dealing with the worlds best rather then just Americas best. it seems that he and Archer and Earl all fell way off.
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Describe smaller.
What is considered big?
What tournament in this country ISN'T mostly American players? LOL.
Was China/Taiwan the pool force it is today 15 years ago?
Please.
You are way out of touch
 
justinb386 said:
That is really interesting. Corey did not think of new ways to great back in his prime though, or did he? When did he start thinking of all these creative ideas? I still think it is wrong, and should not be legal. Just my opinion. It just looks boring , and bad for pools image.
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I'm sure someone answered this, too. It was Corey's soft break in his prime that destroyed (okay, changed the face of) 9-ball with a perfect rack.

He has always been the creative break risk taker for the last 20 years including the long ago World one pocket (second ball, blast break), US Open 9-ball (soft break on Magic Rack), ESPN 7-ball (super soft lag-speed break with awards) as well as what he's done today with bar box 8-ball break (bank the corner ball) and now 10-ball (soft break, 1-ball side pocket).

Freddie <~~~ Corey for HoF
 
Corey soft breaks and people either complain, call him a genius, or both. Shane solves the 10-ball break with a pop break.... "best breaker in the world". Just another day on AZ. Maybe we should consider a running start on the break?

Dennis Orcollo (Orcullo?) may have been the first person I know of to use the safety soft-break in 10-ball, btw.
 
boogeyman said:
Creativity is only one component of overall skill.
Although I agree that Corey is extremely creative,
I respectfully disagree with you that Deuel would be
THE best player in the world had he focused on pool.
When did he NOT? He's always played pool.

In fact, he also played a little snooker, which should have benefited him.

Not everyone who "focuses" on pool stands to be the best in the world.
Certainly not Corey.
We shouldn't confuse creativity with actual skill.
They are two different dynamics. Think trick shots vs. actual competition.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think Corey is living the clean and healthy life.
I have the impression that he has gone through life without good direction.

Yes, he learned some good pool from Jimmy Caras, but don't be fooled by appearances,
I don't think he is "all there" when it comes to his actual life.

I do admit that he could have been a better player had he had some good guidance.
I think he has wasted a few years not focusing on his life alongside pool.

He's still young. He should go to school and get another skill besides pool.
His constant "bucking the pool system" gives me the impression he is a bit "lost" within the pool profession.

Unfortunately, I think in a few years he will be out of the pool scene completely.
Just my gut feeling.

Someone assure me my feelings are totally wrong.
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Didn't Corey take a break a only play golf for awhile? Also he's won many events over the years, but people tend to forget and only think of what have you done lately. Corey a great player had can beat anyone in any tournament from time to time.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
How come no one is talking about this?

LOL Shane looks so pissed.

https://youtu.be/oluYzU2b8nY
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I love that break.

I have a similar 9-ball break that I do on my Sunday playing partner when he starts trying to pull the easy break game on me. We play winner breaks. I drive 3 balls to the rail and put the cue ball behind the stack and force him to push out. It drives him crazy. I 3-foul him out many times immediately right after the break with all the balls still on the table.

After a few games of that, he will go back to breaking open with a regular hard break.
 
Keith Jawahir said:
Dennis Orcollo (Orcullo?) may have been the first person I know of to use the safety soft-break in 10-ball, btw.
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Nah. He wasn't the first.
First 10ball tournament in modern times aside from the Cleveland 10ball Classic in 1990, was the Trump 10ball Challenge at the Trump Marina in Atlantic City in 2003.

At the Trump 10ball, almost ALL the Pinoys at the tournament, Reyes, Gallego, Alcano, etc etc, were using the safe break.

Corey was one of the ones who pointed out the Pinoy strategy immediately, when people thought that they mis-hit the break, or lost whitey.
No one hit it as soft as Corey recently did at the Expo though.
They were all hitting it medium speed, and just letting the cueball go to the bottom rail behind the pack. But no one was risking fouling because of balls not hitting the rail.
 
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