Low Deflection shafts, Are they worth it?

ChicagoRJ said:
yeah, Of course, I'm bringing my player of choice to shoot the shots with my cue, because after all, this is a completion of the cue, not the player.

No masse or jump shots, cause there are specialty cues to handle that. We can start at $1K and go from there.

Oh, wait, did you not admit in a prior post that you can make those spin shots with any cue, including LD. So, just paypal me the money, and we'll call it even. lol
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Lmao !!!!!
 
I can pocket balls better with my LD shaft than with any other shaft.

ps611846 said:
How much would you bet, I can make spin shots that your cue can't make ?
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Careful! Efren is reportedly using an LD shaft after many decades. When he comes to New Orleans the end of next month I will give a report on his cue.

Several years ago, he played with a cue about 12.25 MM and it had a squirt factor that was as high as any cue I have ever shot with. When I wailed about the squirt, Alex P quipped, "Yeah, that is a bamboo piece of shit. But that is why he is the KING."

JoeyA
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
Has the HXT shaft been dipped in stabilizer or is it resin reinforce shaft ?

I make solid maple and there is allot that can be done to change the hit...

To answer your question No I don't care for LD shafts .

But I do have a new design for one .
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Would removing the "coating" (what ever that may be) make the shaft play with more deflection?
I don't want to ruin the shaft, but I certainly don't like the way it feels in it's current condition. Any suggestions.
 
gypsy_soul said:
English how can u say everyone should be playing with a low deflection shaft? I tried an OB for a year and threw it in the trash I'm back to the maple shaft and if u want to play some I'll fly to u as long as u play with that special shaft you have! Think real hard!!!!!!
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And where do you dump your trash? :-)
 
Shafts

EddieBme said:
Would removing the "coating" (what ever that may be) make the shaft play with more deflection?
I don't want to ruin the shaft, but I certainly don't like the way it feels in it's current condition. Any suggestions.
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Sorry
Cue makers are putting resin on the shafts to keep them from warping because normally they are producing shafts in 90 days or less .

You can sand the coating off but the shaft might warp later on ..
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
Sorry
Cue makers are putting resin on the shafts to keep them from warping because normally they are producing shafts in 90 days or less .

You can sand the coating off but the shaft might warp later on ..
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Do you think it would play better if I removed the coating? I'd take a chance on the warping, because I really don't like it the way it is now.
Thanks Mike
 
What joint ?

EddieBme said:
Do you think it would play better if I removed the coating? I'd take a chance on the warping, because I really don't like it the way it is now.
Thanks Mike
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What size joint ?

You don't need resin on good maple shafts.
If you don't like the way it plays then you might be better off buying new cue .
Because if you strip the finish off of your shaft the cue might become worthless.

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couldn't you just bring your shaft to a repair guy or cueman and have them remove whatever resin and just reseal? theres stuff to seal the shaft that wont make it feel not good (dam i need a thesaurus lol)
 
ENGLISH! said:
No offense but you are starting to remind me of Patrick Johnson (& that is not a compliment :wink:)

If I am hitting the 'same' shot at two different times with an identical off center outside tip hit on the CB...

I will need to align farther to the side for the reg. shaft than for the LD shaft.

To '99.9 %' of individuals that is more adjustment for the reg. shaft than the LD shaft.

Now you will say that if I am aligned differently, then I am not hitting with an identical tip location.

I understand relativity.


Best Wishes for You & Yours.
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I don't know Patrick Johnson, but you want me not to take offense when you are throwing"not a compliment"at me? I thought we were having a discussion of perception vs. Reality and how that relates to marketing hype, but instead we're going to throw back handed comments at each other? I refuse to play that game. Just stop perpetuating that ld shafts are "better" and "easier". I have made no claims one way of the other regarding ld vs. HD. You sound like an ad man for predator. No offense.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
but we find it easier to adjust a tiny bit, than more than a tiny bit. and yes, I don't adjuster on med length table shots, cause it is not necessary. The same shot with a maple shaft and I miss it, or at best I rattle the pocket.

Again, if you can adjust at will. God Bless and good shooting.
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I like the way you roll, man. You absolutely get my point. "we find it easier" is exactly what I was saying. That is in no way a bad thing. I am not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject, I am only offering a different and valid view point on the perceived benefits of an ld shaft. If you have learned with and like an ld shaft and you know the adjustments, then an ld shaft is absolutely worth "it" ( whatever it is?). If you have learned with and like an hd shaft, I don't feel there are any benefits to switching, so then it is not worth "it". If you already bought a cue that had a maple shaft I don't feel the added expense of an ld shaft is worth "it", but that is only my opinion (as was everything else I have or ever will post).

Final thought: If you perceive something makes it easier then it will seem easier, that is a good thing. Trying to convince every body else that what they're doing is harder because they are not using an ld shaft is, neither correct not beneficial to any one except the companies that make ld shafts.

That last line was not a poke at anyone, it is the only the last remark I an going to make on this subject.
 
JoeyA said:
Careful! Efren is reportedly using an LD shaft after many decades. When he comes to New Orleans the end of next month I will give a report on his cue.

Several years ago, he played with a cue about 12.25 MM and it had a squirt factor that was as high as any cue I have ever shot with. When I wailed about the squirt, Alex P quipped, "Yeah, that is a bamboo piece of shit. But that is why he is the KING."

JoeyA
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Let us know if Danny switched from the Z3 to the Samsara shaft yet!
 
erhino41 said:
I don't know Patrick Johnson, but you want me not to take offense when you are throwing"not a compliment"at me? I thought we were having a discussion of perception vs. Reality and how that relates to marketing hype, but instead we're going to throw back handed comments at each other? I refuse to play that game. Just stop perpetuating that ld shafts are "better" and "easier". I have made no claims one way of the other regarding ld vs. HD. You sound like an ad man for predator. No offense.
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You show yourself to be more like PJ with every post.

You mention a discussion & then TELL me to stop saying something.

For the predominant number of people that play the game it is easier & hence better for them to use a LD shaft when using english.

So it is Better for the predominant number of individuals that are playing the game.

That is basically a stone cold fact.

If you can not see & admit that then it is YOU that has an issue & it is YOU that should stop saying otherwise.

I do not care if the LD shaft is a custom shaft or a production shaft.

The solid maple Meucci shafts back in the day produced slightly less CB squirt than most of the other shafts of the day because of the long 'pro' taper that made them more flexible. Flex allows more shaft deflection & hence less CB squirt.

Many used them & liked them for that reason, I never liked the whippy thing so I never did. I did not rag everyone that was using a Meucci.

It seems that we are on complete opposite sides of this 'debate'.

but I will NOT be told what I can & can not say. I will continue to say what I think & know.

You Have a Great Weekend & Best Wishes for You & Yours.
 
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erhino41 said:
I like the way you roll, man. You absolutely get my point. "we find it easier" is exactly what I was saying. That is in no way a bad thing. I am not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject, I am only offering a different and valid view point on the perceived benefits of an ld shaft. If you have learned with and like an ld shaft and you know the adjustments, then an ld shaft is absolutely worth "it" ( whatever it is?). If you have learned with and like an hd shaft, I don't feel there are any benefits to switching, so then it is not worth "it". If you already bought a cue that had a maple shaft I don't feel the added expense of an ld shaft is worth "it", but that is only my opinion (as was everything else I have or ever will post).

Final thought: If you perceive something makes it easier then it will seem easier, that is a good thing. Trying to convince every body else that what they're doing is harder because they are not using an ld shaft is, neither correct not beneficial to any one except the companies that make ld shafts.

That last line was not a poke at anyone, it is the only the last remark I an going to make on this subject.
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You last remark is inaccurate & hence wrong.

The objective truth is that just because an individual can be successful doing a task does not mean they are doing the task in the easiest manner.

A marksmen can use a rifle & hit a bulls eye using mechanical sights but it is less 'stressful' & less work, hence easier, for him to do it with a high powered scope.

Why do you think they use high powered scopes?

Since you have made your last comment on this subject...

Adios & Vaya Con Dios.
 
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erhino41 said:
I like the way you roll, man. You absolutely get my point. "we find it easier" is exactly what I was saying. That is in no way a bad thing. I am not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject, I am only offering a different and valid view point on the perceived benefits of an ld shaft. If you have learned with and like an ld shaft and you know the adjustments, then an ld shaft is absolutely worth "it" ( whatever it is?). If you have learned with and like an hd shaft, I don't feel there are any benefits to switching, so then it is not worth "it". If you already bought a cue that had a maple shaft I don't feel the added expense of an ld shaft is worth "it", but that is only my opinion (as was everything else I have or ever will post).

Final thought: If you perceive something makes it easier then it will seem easier, that is a good thing. Trying to convince every body else that what they're doing is harder because they are not using an ld shaft is, neither correct not beneficial to any one except the companies that make ld shafts.

That last line was not a poke at anyone, it is the only the last remark I an going to make on this subject.
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LOL. You too ;) My last comment on this as well, as Im not accustomed to agree with English on many subjects, and now he's gonna derail this thread when we were all having a bit of fun ;)
 
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