Almost got in a fight during a $200 game

Good point. I'm surprised this is not a common issue. It seems that pros rarely call their shots so at some point people transition from calling every shot to not calling most shots. But now that I think about it most pro matches I study are rotation games maybe they call their shots when they play 8 ball.

In 8 ball pro tournaments, you will not see the pro's calling obvious shots, and even in most amateur competition (where BCA rules are played, for example), the obvious shots are not called (most of the time).
 
I think on the average old bar table, that has a nasty old mud ball, you really need to learn how to play good using center english on the cue ball. But I imagine that is not the reason why they only use center on the cue ball (if they are C players at best). I do think that most C players (and these are C players that take the game seriously) know how to use other types of english , other then center ball english. If it is true that they are just center ball players (bangers), then I would put them in the D category.

CENTER English??? No wonder we're losing to the Chinese.

And, by the way, did I say CENTER ENGLISH?????

Dale(who often uses sidespin)
 
200 bucks on 8ball on a bar table

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You wrote that is not call pocket, but you must call caroms.

In that case you are wrong for sharing him. It doesn't matter "where he's going". If he fouls, call the foul and dispute it. Otherwise, shut up and let him shoot. You know he ain't running out anyway. Maybe I'm missing something.

This stuff makes me grateful to have a home table.

It is call shots, according to the OP....but it is NOT just call pocket....
....you have to call HOW it gets there...like kisses and banks.

The only time I have played this version of BAR RULES...is in a nightmare. :eek:
 
Not saying I was right actually curious who you guys think was right:

So I'm playing this guy for $200 ( 8 ball )
We're both C or B players but both think we're the sh*t :)
I eliminated him at the last tourney so he hated me already.

So this guy never calls his shots. I always call my shots. Also the rules of this tourney are not call pocket: you have to say if you're going clean or of another ball. Anyway a few times this dude is aiming at something I have no idea where he's going so I go ( politely ) "where're you going?". He just ignores the question. Finally he gets a bad roll, cb on rail, he's aiming into the cluster. I get uncomfortable bc this is the sort of dude who would pocket a slop and claim he meant that. ( We both still miss shots we're not pros ). I don't really see a safety there so i say a bit louder "where're you going?". He gets up and gets in my face "why the f*ck are you talking while I'm down on my shot". His friend gets in my face too and is screaming. I'm like it takes 2 seconds just call your shot it's not a big deal. Things escalate, the entire place is watching the scene now. He misses. I call my shot he's like where're you going I'm like I f*cking called it twice watch the game.. Then I ran out and eliminated him. So everybody took my side because everyone hates the guy. We're all regulars and he's good but by far the cockiest player there and acts like he's a pro.. But now that I think about it he had a point, had it been a pro match he would have been right. So who was right? This was on a barbox at a bar by the way not a league.

First your title is misleading. Almost got in a fight during a $200 game. You didn't almost get in a fight. You had a heated exchange of words. Almost getting in a fight is when someone asks to take it outside where I come from.
Second it wasn't a $200 game. It was a small tournament for $200 bucks.
Third and I read all your reply's, you kept referring to pro matches. Like, "By call pocket I meant it doesn't matter if it's a carom or a clean shot, you know the way pros play. This isn't a pro match. Not even close.
Forth it sounds like a couple of kids on the playground woofing. I'm guessing you're in your 20's or maybe your 30's and your playing in a bar. Your going back and forth as far as the rules. Typical bar rules made up as you play.
To answer your question, "So who was right?" IMO neither of you. He should have been calling his shots and you shouldn't talk while he's down on his shot. That's why you'll never find most members here, JMHO never gambling in bars.
 
I'm so confused.

You said he was froze on the rail.

In bars with these rules, I've always seen you're allowed to move the cue ball off the rail the width of the butt of your cue.

Also, if you're jacked up over a ball, you can cover the ball with your hand to be able to shoot over it if you need to.

And if you touch the cue ball while stroking it, if it doesn't move more than 6 inches you can put it back.
 
I'm so confused.

You said he was froze on the rail.

In bars with these rules, I've always seen you're allowed to move the cue ball off the rail the width of the butt of your cue.

Also, if you're jacked up over a ball, you can cover the ball with your hand to be able to shoot over it if you need to.

And if you touch the cue ball while stroking it, if it doesn't move more than 6 inches you can put it back.

I have played all those rules.....:o
But I'm all growed up now
 
"So who was right?" IMO neither of you. He should have been calling his shots and you shouldn't talk while he's down on his shot. That's why you'll never find most members here, JMHO never gambling in bars.

100% correct
 
I'm so confused.

You said he was froze on the rail.

In bars with these rules, I've always seen you're allowed to move the cue ball off the rail the width of the butt of your cue.

Also, if you're jacked up over a ball, you can cover the ball with your hand to be able to shoot over it if you need to.

And if you touch the cue ball while stroking it, if it doesn't move more than 6 inches you can put it back.
LOL :-)

Honestly, i have never heard of or ran across anyone that ever suggested any of these.
 
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His friend gets in my face too and is screaming.

If I understand the context of the situation then nobody is right.

To play this out properly in this context cold cock the friend and step over him as you continue to play "pool" if your opponent wishes to continue. If he does wish to continue not then take your $200 since he defaulted.


It really wasn't very good pool...strange description of rules. It wasn't really almost a fight either. It was a bit of drama in a bar.


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You asked for opinions, I guess you got 'em.

One possible way to avoid a future problem?

"Sorry. I work too hard for my money to gamble at pool."

Gambling is a business. If you're not in the business, don't do it.
 
What you couldn't see was Steve's tongue placed firmly in his cheek! LOL :grinning-moose: They are all various "bar rules".

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com



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Except running around in bars you would just go along with however they wanted to play and people would come up with some dandies but if you're gonna be winning it doesn't matter what they come up with.



And Paul isn't all growed up now either. :eek:
 
We don't have a slop rule over here in England. I've always thought it a law likely to cause ill-feeling and disputes, especially at league level.

A sixty-second stop clock was recently introduced at my local game; I've witnessed two fights already! Some of these rules are dreamt up by folks who have never had to keep order in a bar on a Saturday night.


I'm guessing you mean a shot clock and that is weird in a bar. In the US if you walk across the street to a different bar they are likely to have different 8 ball rules. I played in a pool hall which had 2 different 8 ball leagues on different nights and they had different rules. Same pool hall, different rules on different nights.
 
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Except running around in bars you would just go along with however they wanted to play and people would come up with some dandies but if you're gonna be winning it doesn't matter what they come up with.



And Paul isn't all growed up now either. :eek:

Hey, I got over all that.
In my hometown, you could hit the six-ball on the break at snooker...we broke like 9-ball.
...and if someone played a safety, he got known as a nit.

in my twenties, the little bar pool I did play...was usually 6-ball...with 9-ball rules.

....and I am so all growed up...I play with a '68 Joss that use to belong to Windsor Louie..
....and it's younger than me.
 
This is true. If he only has to call if it doesn't go "clean" then you are sharking asking where he's shooting. That said, having to call off a rail or another ball is asinine and only creates these situations.

Play the situation for what it's worth. If you are the better player, setup a 500 dollar grudge match, money posted. This is how to settle who's Mas Macho.

Me and four friends show up to a weekly $10 8-ball tournament that none of us had ever played before. Double elimination, races to 2 and 1. Winner take all. There was about 10 guys playing.

I am told beforehand that you call all caroms and the 8-ball everytime. No problem.

I somehow end up in the finals playing a regular. I could tell he was a regular because everyone that worked there was rooting for him. Anyway we split the first two games and he's shooting the 8-ball. He calls his pocket and shoots. The 8 caroms off a ball and goes in. I immediately call the caroms foul and he looks at me like I have three heads. The TD gave him the sad news in front of me. I felt bad for a second.

After the tournament ended, me and my friends went to What-A-Burger and I pretty much spent it all.
 
I'm guessing you mean a shot clock and that is weird in a bar. In the US if you walk across the street to a different bar they are likely to have different 8 ball rules. I played in a pool hall which had 2 different 8 ball leagues on different nights and they had different rules. Same pool hall, different rules on different nights.

This the kind of shot clock you get in most bars....

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Well I almost got in a fight over a 20.00 game a while back .

Playing in a bar for 10.00 a game and this kid comes up and adds his quarters o. The rail. I win 2 more and and its this kids turn now. He says lets play for 20.00 and I say ok.

I break and run a few then he makes a few then i run down to the 8. I am standing there with both hands on the rail looking at the 8 across table and contemplating whether to kick it cross side or cut it all the WA up table to the corner pocket.


The kid comes up and stands by me and whispers in my ear....got another 20.00 says you dont make this shot..i replied ..you dont know what shot I am gonna make. He says..it don't matter I got 20.00 that says you dont make the 8 this shot.

I say...lemme think on it and back up from the table also and I continue looming at the 8. He immediately walks around to the other side of the table so he can look me in the eye and says again ..i got another 20.00 that says you dont dont make it.

Now I am pissed. I yell to him you are on...now back the fvuk up off the table so I can decide which pocket I am goanna put it in. A team mate of mine that was hanging with some girls heard me yelling and comes over and asks me what's going on .

So I tell him what went down. He happens to know this kid and asks him why he is pulling such a move. The kid tells him ...i thought me and you are friends...why are you busting my balls when I am trying to win this game.

My team mate says yea we were friends and this guy you are playing happens to be a team mate and a good friend. The kid says...what do you mean we were friends. My team mate says...my friends dont pull the shit you trying to pull. The kid says ...fbuk you and your friend both.

That wad a bad mistake on the kids part...my team mate popped him about 5 times in the blink of an eye. The collapses on the floor against the poll table.the bouncer comes running over but their is no fight to break up. The kid is out Cold.

The bouncer shakes the kids asking him if he is all right. The kid comes to and the bouncer half carries him and half drags him outa the bar...needless to say my team mate was kicked out also.

I looked and saw some quarters still laying on the rail...looked around and said who's next :D
 
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