Have you ever transitioned well to playing with a bumperless cue?

Not necessarily bad but I think only the cheapest of cues come without a bumper. Like cheap cheap. I remember even my first cue from Kmart came with a rubber. It can't be that expensive so I don't see why they all can't put them on especially with the price of some cues. I think petroleum is used so maybe that is the reason for the cost cutting.

Cheap? ...I've had a Rambow and a few Hoppe's with no bumper....
...they weren't cheap....and I love GC's Schon in this thread.

BTW...how do you pronounce Schon?
:duck:
 
i've talked to people who have conducted blind test and was told a person could not only not tell the difference in joints.bumperless,etc that he could not even tell when his own cue came up


i believed the guy,but i never tried it myself

i would bet on bumperless vs non,and ivory vs steel
that no one could tell the difference or pick one out of 10
 
The bumper absolutely has some effect on the acoustics of the hit. The other day I was playing and my cue was making a "ticking" sound because I removed the weight bolt and forgot to secure the bumper properly. After inspection, I realized the bumper was pushed only half way in. Pushed it all the way in and the sound went away.
 
For anyone who doesn't believe it, do a bumper/bumperless test with the same cue. Don't use two different cues for the test. Like a McDermott, for example.
 
Is it surprising that a loose component on a cue would make a noise?

A lifting tip, loose ferrule, or shaft that is not tightened all do the same thing. Make a noise.


The bumper absolutely has some effect on the acoustics of the hit. The other day I was playing and my cue was making a "ticking" sound because I removed the weight bolt and forgot to secure the bumper properly. After inspection, I realized the bumper was pushed only half way in. Pushed it all the way in and the sound went away.
 
i've talked to people who have conducted blind test and was told a person could not only not tell the difference in joints.bumperless,etc that he could not even tell when his own cue came up


i believed the guy,but i never tried it myself

i would bet on bumperless vs non,and ivory vs steel
that no one could tell the difference or pick one out of 10

I'll back the bet... And I do not gamble. But this would be a fixed race. I'd feel terribly guilty taking the persons money. The sad part of this thread is the OP is passing on a nice cue. And never put a bumper on a bumper less cue... simply buy it right to begin with. I tend to go the other way. Convert to B-less. Bumpers are for butt protection only and to cover the hole. Bumper less for style. No one has anything to prove here ... To each his own.
What's next in line. Does the wrap suppress noise? Is linen quieter than leather.
 
Cheap? ...I've had a Rambow and a few Hoppe's with no bumper....
...they weren't cheap....and I love GC's Schon in this thread.

BTW...how do you pronounce Schon?
:duck:

Pt, that was a weak attempt at tongue in cheek humor.
 
Is it surprising that a loose component on a cue would make a noise?

A lifting tip, loose ferrule, or shaft that is not tightened all do the same thing. Make a noise.

Grab a McDermott, hit a few balls...then remove the push-in bumper and hit few more.
My point is that the bumper will affect the sound of the cue.

You know, different?
 
Really Deano ?

i've talked to people who have conducted blind test and was told a person could not only not tell the difference in joints.bumperless,etc that he could not even tell when his own cue came up


i believed the guy,but i never tried it myself

i would bet on bumperless vs non,and ivory vs steel
that no one could tell the difference or pick one out of 10

I remember way way back you got a Balabushka that was bumperless and it was so loud
when you hit a ball it would crack a wine glass. We were at The Lancaster club on Jefferson when you showed it to me. I think it had squares in the bottom maybe even
checker board. Do you remember, and don't try to say I have you mixed up with someone
else. My memory is much better than yours, uh what were we talking about.
jack
 
I have a Jerry R full splice cue bumperless. He also gave me an attachable bumper for the cue.

I have tried it in both configurations, can't tell the difference.



Grab a McDermott, hit a few balls...then remove the push-in bumper and hit few more.
My point is that the bumper will affect the sound of the cue.

You know, different?
 
I have a Jerry R full splice cue bumperless. He also gave me an attachable bumper for the cue.

I have tried it in both configurations, can't tell the difference.

I forgot to mention that a Jerry R full slice cue is the exception to the rule.

lol
 
difference

I have a old 1973 Adam cue that if you take the rubber off it loud and vibration to
It, I think it's cause it's not drill for a weight bolt. Cause I can take rubber bumper off
my Jensen and I can't hardly tell much of a difference and it's drilled for a weight bolt.

I think all cues are different and some you can tell and some you can't I think a lot of it has
to do with the construction of the cue, just my 2 cents.
 
Yah.... those damn McDermitts and the POS bumpers that make noise.


LOL

There it is. The Micky D bumper is the largest, ugliest, most disgusting looking (what else) ever put on a cue. Tell ya what...If I removed it the cue would be lighter :killingme::killingme:
 
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I am curious to hear opinions on how long it took you to get used to a bumperless cue (maybe after playing your entire life with a standard cue with a bumper)?

I remember hitting with a cue without a bumper a few times when I was a kid, and I hated the feel and hit of it (it was horrible, as I remember it being).

I remember feeling everything (the vibrations) going through the hit (which was also very loud), and it was a feeling that I never wanted to try again.

It is like hitting with a very hard tip (that is very loud), and also feeling all of the vibration going through the cue (upon follow through).

Do all bumperless cues have this same type of very strong vibration going through the stroke (as you stroke through the cue ball), or is it not as bad with some of the very well made ones?

There is this custom 4 point Hoppe style bumperless cue that I really want (because I really love the looks of it). I am just hoping that I will like the hit of it, and if not, hoping that a rubber bumper can easily be added to the cue (without having to alter the cue in any way).

Thanks for any thoughts about this.

Six shots - I go back and forth all the time.

Bumpers, no bumpers, wrap no wrap, fat, skinny, light, heavy...

They all knock the ball in if you hit it in the right spot.

Dale
 
Six shots - I go back and forth all the time.

Bumpers, no bumpers, wrap no wrap, fat, skinny, light, heavy...

They all knock the ball in if you hit it in the right spot.

Dale

While that is certainly true there are some things that will make the cue more comfortable to a player. Take for instance, my current playing cue. I love the way it hits but it is wrapless and and I can't get used to it. I am on the look out for my next playing cue (with a wrap).
 
While that is certainly true there are some things that will make the cue more comfortable to a player. Take for instance, my current playing cue. I love the way it hits but it is wrapless and and I can't get used to it. I am on the look out for my next playing cue (with a wrap).

If you really like your player a wrap can be added on. I have done that. Seyberts put a black/green linen on the top. The bottom cue now has a brown leather wrap.
 

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The rubber bumper has absolutely nothing to do with playability/sound. Nothing. Period. Case closed.
If you like the 4 point Hoppe....buy it. I have 3 H4 Schons. I sure hope they do not come out with a new model or I'll have 4.

Dwell on this...... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=247839

I have a old 1973 Adam cue that if you take the rubber off it loud and vibration to
It, I think it's cause it's not drill for a weight bolt. Cause I can take rubber bumper off
my Jensen and I can't hardly tell much of a difference and it's drilled for a weight bolt.

I think all cues are different and some you can tell and some you can't I think a lot of it has
to do with the construction of the cue, just my 2 cents.

Let's do the blindfold test. If you can tell the difference I'll give you my cues:D:D
Noise suppressors or sales manure
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I would be very surprised if I couldn't tell the hit of a bumperless cue.
I had a snooker cue for years that had a glue-on bumper...about once a year it would fall off....and I would know on the first hit....it was like losing the muffler on your car.

A strange cue with an ivory ferrule might confuse me...'cause they are loud at the tip end.

Because of the post by Moët, I may have to modify my statement about identifying bumper or no bumper.
My snooker cue was a four point ebony, full slice, with no weight bolt...
...and I definitely knew when the bumper was off.

Most of my pool cues have weight bolts...I have no experience with the bumper on or off.
 
I've played my whole life with my old faithful McDermott with the prominent shamrock rubber bumper. Takes me about 3 years to wear off the shamrock. McDermott replaces the bumper when I send it in for a full cleaning.

I bounce the butt off the floor a lot when playing and chalk by holding the butt on the floor and spinning the cue.

Can't imagine playing without a bumper.

Surprisingly the butt is still flawless considering how much I knock it around (they make a damn good cue), a few dings in the shaft however. Shaft getting a bit too thin for another cleaning, hmmm, probably go with another solid maple.

No idea if the bumper effects the hit/sound, not sure how to get if off if I wanted to try.
 
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