Predator Revo shaft full review and deflection test
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I'm with you. When I was learning I tended to over analyze things in pool. Now that I know those things I never think of them- I just play and adjust accordingly. Too many people place too much emphasis on learning details that aren't relevant and not enough emphasis on practice and allowing your body/mind to learn things unconsciously.
In a high-pressure situation the last thing you want to be thinking about are the small details. You think the cueball where you want it to go and you just put it there- you don't measure every single shot- you'll get it wrong measuring it eventually but if you trust your unconscious (and you have put in the practice) you can make impossible shots look easy.
Because it's black.
Keebie,
I was not suggesting that you were saying anything that was not "true".
It just seems the Scott Lee 'gospel' is cue speed & tip location & NOTHING else matters or makes a difference.
Now, the subject is equipment & he is getting this NEW & rather different shaft.
It just seemed odd to me not s fit.
Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
i rarely hear Scott talk about "equipment".........cue speed and tip locaton at the end of the day are exactly the "only thing that matters" of course thats all dependent on MANY diff things.....
with scott being that well known, and knowing him personally for long enough (hope i'm not talkinig out of turn lol) I seriously doubt that Scott called them and said "OMG, those black carbon fiber shafts.....I MUST HAVE ONE NOW!!!!!"
I'm sure a salesman or whatever for them, knows Scott or whatever and tthey asked if he would like to try one.....Scott being a kind man, open and willing to try new things, as he's as much of a student of the game as he is a teacher........and he kindly obliged and said SURE.
A midwestern cuemaker couple years ago asked myself and a top all around pro if we would be interested in trying the Kamui Clears.......we both said sure, but neither of us needed new tips and kind of had a questioning look on our faces.....he realized this and let us knowhe wasn't trying to sell us $30 tips we didn't wnat or need....he wanted us to try them to give him experienced professional opinions on the product......
and we did.........they play great by the way......do they hit better than a prressed triangle or milk duds etc..........not in my opinion.......they are al basically equal given personal preferences for densitys and such
layered will predonimately hold its shoulder straighter and not mushroom, even though this is a visual fauxpaus, a mushroomed tip will not cause you to miss/misscue or anything like that....
i mean a local cue man should be able to trim a shoulder and de/mushroom a tip for 2$ or under in my opinion....or free even if he installed it...it takes mere seconds on a lathe. I could clean probably a hundred tip shoulders up in an hour just guessing, because i've never done it but....its never took more than seconds in mmy life expect when i was in my early teens and i used to do all my own work back then too but with files, razors, irons and locktight 454 aorund when it first hit the market in mid 90s or so.
sorry sidebar and sorta off topic but applicable imop. Because in no way would I have let someone come on this board nd say "GREYGHOST SWITCHES TO KAMUI CLEARS, TURNS BACK ON SOLID TIPS"
because thats a negative ghostwriter
-G.G.
Something that PJ might have said as well?
That is called a commercial, not a review.
I would like to see actual independent testing to confirm any claims made.
And, she also won and lost many other tournaments using other Predator cues. SO by that logic the cue OUGHT to improve Jasmine's performance by x% since we can infer that her skill level is unlikely to improve in a short time.
Huh? Well I can say that for sure I talked with Alan McCarty about carbon fiber 15 years ago and he did say that this was something they were thinking about. Carbon fiber has been in use by various companies to varying degrees for the past 20 years.
So I don't doubt that as a project it's been percolating for a while. Still I would like to see some actual independent data to back up any claims.
And Shane has won countless tournaments using his Cuetec R-360. I read through the page on these shafts on Predator's website and frankly I find it to be a bunch of technobabble. One truly good INDEPENDENT video with real data and real scientific testing would go so much farther IMO.
Also, really lets give Bob Jewett credit for the ferruless shaft. He was the first to recognize the weight reducing advantage of eliminating the ferrule afaik.
I bought a graphite fishing rod because it was said to have more tactile feedback because of the high density of the fibers compared to epoxy glass.
I imagine that same may be true for a cue shaft for those that like a crisp tactile feel.
Then I accidently stepped on it and it cracked in half because it was brittle. I use Ugly Stick rods now.:smile:
Ever see a shooter blame his bad play on his solid wood shaft and break it in half over his knee? I did and they were 2 Tad shafts. That might be harder to do with graphite.
I imagine that same may be true for a cue shaft for those that like a crisp tactile feel.
Then I accidently stepped on it and it cracked in half because it was brittle. I use Ugly Stick rods now.:smile:
Ever see a shooter blame his bad play on his solid wood shaft and break it in half over his knee? I did and they were 2 Tad shafts. That might be harder to do with graphite.
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I think with any material there are two major factors, what the creators of x-item say that the material does and what the users of x-item think about how it feels to use it.
Sometimes these line up and sometimes they don't.
I know that my best intentions in case making don't always go over so well in the real world. As a result I have to sometimes go back and adjust the design to fit how people use cases rather than to try to change how cases are used.
I am a big fan of innovation and performance improvements. What I am not a big fan of is technobabble hype that sounds mostly made-up. At some point there should be some independent data to back up the hype. The pool industry in so many ways is like a license to steal. There is no barrier to entry, no consumer reports, no standards certifying body really....no consumer protection in any way....so people can just get away with making shit up and very few people can actually contest it.
Not to say Predator is doing this. They are after all an industry leader who sponsors many events and players. They have essentially created the whole performance shaft/performance cue sector in pool. Without them there is likely no OB, no Tiger, no Jacoby Edge, and none of the other companies making "performance" shafts.
But I sincerely wish two things, one that Royce Bunnell were still with us to offer his take on this shaft and two that somehow an independent lab would take all of these shafts from every company and do some real true testing to determine some performance metrics that make sense and can be replicated in other labs. Then we could start to have a real true conversation on what actual advantage any shaft actually gives to the user without the marketing-speak.
I can put a simple design on paper for a testing robot in 5 minutes, but for some reason there is a huge disconnect in what people feel a robot 'should' do. IMO moving the cue in a straight line, at a precise speed is all that is needed to do comparison testing. But then again, I like to keep stuff simple.
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Lets start a gofundme page to raise money for Dr. Dave to build an iron willie/myth destroyer cue testing robot!
I can put a simple design on paper for a testing robot in 5 minutes, but for some reason there is a huge disconnect in what people feel a robot 'should' do. IMO moving the cue in a straight line, at a precise speed is all that is needed to do comparison testing. But then again, I like to keep stuff simple.
Claims like "more spin", greater accuracy, etc... "more" radially consistent....whatever thing that the marketing claims as performance advantages should be tested against what can be accurately defined and measured.
I get tired of claims like 25% more spin....32% less deflection.....61.43 percent more radially consistent..... than what? Where is the data?
Show me that your shaft can draw a ball 25% more at the same speed than x,y and z shafts? Show me the variables so we know it's an apples to apples comparison.
"reviews" like this one are not reviews at all for a "performance" product. They are enthusiastic commercials. And the information may be factually correct but without supporting data it's really hard to make a buying decision. In the non-pool world anything that claims better performance is tested vigorously against benchmarks.
Pretty sure Dr. Dave can make it a class assignment and get plenty of them. I think he actually did that one year.
John...Not for nothin', but when I asked Bob what he thought about the Revo shaft at the SBE, he said, "If I could get it in the smaller diameter that I like, it might just become my player!". That's something, knowing how Bob feels about his playing cues.
I am expecting to get mine by Friday (I'm on the road teaching in AL currently), and I'm really looking forward to playing with it.
On another note, I'd just like to say it certainly is a much more peaceful, enjoyable forum without Rick's rhetorical postings on anything and everything.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I am expecting to get mine by Friday (I'm on the road teaching in AL currently), and I'm really looking forward to playing with it.
On another note, I'd just like to say it certainly is a much more peaceful, enjoyable forum without Rick's rhetorical postings on anything and everything.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
If my memory serves me correctly, high end fly rods have been built along the same lines as LD pool shafts for a long time. They used 6 pieces of bamboo laminated together and then carbon tubing. All for one of the same reasons, uniform bending under stress.
Perhaps someone who knows a lot about fly rods can chime in here.
Perhaps someone who knows a lot about fly rods can chime in here.