Making a Runde cue a little heavier

9Ballr

9Ballr

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This is the back of a Runde cue that weights 18.00 oz, butt weights 14.50.

I wanted to bring it up to 18.75 or something close to that.
Is there a way to do this?

By the way what you see there is not rust, it's glue.

So this bolt is glued in, and there's no way to get it out....at least not for me there isn't.

1. Is it possible to add 3/4 of an ounce to this cue?
2. As a side question, what on earth is the reason anyone would do this instead of just using regular weight bolts?

Thanks for your help on this.

 
I have occasionally seen weight bolts epoxied in. I suspect it's the cuemaker's attempt to eliminate any chance of vibration in the buttsleeve section, but each may have their reasons.

This will sound crazy, but there's only one way I can think of to increase the weight of this cue without removing the bolt, assuming your total weight includes the bumper. First, forget about the bumper. Then, mix lead powder and epoxy and fill the hole in the weight bumper, as much as will go in. Then, keep filling in the mixture until you have the right weight, probably with the mixture flush with the end, basically filling the buttcap. You can use a coloring agent to make it look decent, but I would go with black epoxy in the first place. Then you sand and finish the end to make it look like a bumperless cue. You will have probably increased the weight of the cue.

This, I admit, would be a hell of an effort to add weight to the cue, but I can't think of another way to do it, as you have to increase the weight beyond what the bumper and bumper screw provided. And it would take patience and some finishing ability on the resulting bottom of the cue.

A better approach, I think, would be to apply some heat to the weight bolt, with a soldering iron. Just a little at a time, and don't hit the outer material, as it may melt. With patience, you might be able to soften the epoxy, unscrew the weight bolt and replace it.

This is a tough one, when the weight bolt is epoxied in. Other than boring the entire thing out, I'm not sure what to suggest. Some cue repairmen may have better suggestions, but lead and epoxy is what I've used often for my other hobby, golf clubs.

All the best,
WW
 
I don't think Bob did this. I PM'd the OP and told him to email me and I will forward it to Bob.
 
Shooter08 said:
I don't think Bob did this. I PM'd the OP and told him to email me and I will forward it to Bob.
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Good. I wonder myself how a cuemaker would remove a bolt that's epoxied in, as it would seem to be the best approach.

The only other thing I could think of would be the Earl Strickland approach. Wrap about an ounce of tape onto the wrap area...:confused:
 
An epoxied bolt can be removed but it involves cutting off the buttcap, heating the bolt for removal, and making a new buttcap.

I've seen some pretty mickey mouse ways of adding weight. One cue had lead weights drilled into the handle under the wrap. I found very long weight bolts, like about a foot long, weights imbedded into the butt, even bb's epoxied into a cavity under a short weight bolt.
 
I heard about a Hercek like this, here on AZ I think, weight distributed under the wrap, not drilled in masses from the way I understood. Reminds of being a kid and needing to distribute the weight on a box car. I thought it was more ingenious than packing a weight in the ass of a cue. Your thoughts, as always I respect hearing them Tate. Tom
 
Shooter08 said:
I heard about a Hercek like this, here on AZ I think. Reminds of being a kid and needing to distribute the weight on a box car. I thought it was more ingenious than packing a weight in the ass of a cue. Your thoughts, as always I respect hearing them Tate. Tom
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Thanks. I saw a picture of a Schon with a busted butt sleeve, broken like someone hit it with an axe. The poster was lamenting that he tried to remove a screw that he didn't know was epoxied.

People epoxy screws for several reasons. I would hope in most cases it's not a cue maker. Too often I find Palmers with the butt sleeve and clear window glued up. They did not come this way from the shop and prevents someone from disassembling it for repairs.
 
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Shooter08 said:
I don't think Bob did this. I PM'd the OP and told him to email me and I will forward it to Bob.
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Bob has been doing this since his Schon days.

I got your pm and will send you the picture but I wanted to see if someone would chime in who knows if this is Bob's doing or not.

Like I said I'm almost certain this is how he's always don it.
 
None of my Runde cues are glued like this, I just looked at the sneaky two days ago and the weight bolt was different than yours. I'll gladly send pics to Bob, I'm sure he will be happy to help you. He is a prince.
 
Shooter08 said:
None of my Runde cues are glued like this, I just looked at the sneaky two days ago and the weight bolt was different than yours. I'll gladly send pics to Bob, I'm sure he will be happy to help you. He is a prince.
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Thanks for your help.

I just sent an email with the photo.

There's also r-click and paste but doing the attachment is probably quicker.

I also have all of Bob's contact info but if you see him regularly this might help speed things up a bit.
 
I'm by no means on Bob's list of important customer base, if he has one. He just knows how much I respect him and has been kind to me personally. If you already have his contact info you are as likely to get a response as me. If Bob had a fanclub I'd be running it, however I know I have no influence other than personal request, I've been lucky and also have been able to acquire one build for a friend.
 
If Bob says he has a cue unaccounted for, I say send it. I wish that Ebony on Ebony came my way. I told Bob I wanted one long before I saw the one that is out there. If he sends me one out of the blue I'll gladly send him whatever covers it, with Bob I don't need a quote, it will be far more valuable than hat he asks.
 
WildWing said:
Good. I wonder myself how a cuemaker would remove a bolt that's epoxied in, as it would seem to be the best approach.

The only other thing I could think of would be the Earl Strickland approach. Wrap about an ounce of tape onto the wrap area...:confused:
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make a lead insert for the bumper.......1oz fishing weights are small....you cna get them in round disks theyare about 3/8" thick and 1/2" wide......


i know i know i'm awesome......

or you could get you someone to mix tungsten powder with a rubberized CA and make a hard and heavy bumper!!!!

your welcome!

-Greyghost:cool:


only way i can see to heat up the pin to remove would be with a soldering gun so you could touch it to head of bolt.....but most likely it would have to be milled out.....which is a PIA and dangerous op for the cue.....no matter what any repair or maker does alot of heat is going to occur.
 
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The smartest way to go is to send the cue back to the maker.

Total BS epoxying in a weight bolt ,,,, Elmers I can understand .
But I try not to use any glue on my weight bolts .


Easy fix even if you put the butt in a lathe and left handed drill bit the weight bolt out and made a new weight bolt .
 
greyghost said:
make a lead insert for the bumper.......1oz fishing weights are small....you cna get them in round disks theyare about 3/8" thick and 1/2" wide......


i know i know i'm awesome......

or you could get you someone to mix tungsten powder with a rubberized CA and make a hard and heavy bumper!!!!

your welcome!

-Greyghost:cool:


only way i can see to heat up the pin to remove would be with a soldering gun so you could touch it to head of bolt.....but most likely it would have to be milled out.....which is a PIA and dangerous op for the cue.....no matter what any repair or maker does alot of heat is going to occur.
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Super suggestions.

I was also thinking about going to the Home Depot and get a few
washers and a longer bumper bolt, the bumper is screwed into
the middle of this weight bolt. You can see the hole in it.
But this would only add weight at the very back.
Might be worth the try though.
 
9Ballr said:
Super suggestions.

I was also thinking about going to the Home Depot and get a few
washers and a longer bumper bolt, the bumper is screwed into
the middle of this weight bolt. You can see the hole in it.
But this would only add weight at the very back.
Might be worth the try though.
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thanks, and yea that may work too....if you like it then you could just trim the bumper shorter and it wouldn't look any diff :)

end of day couple dollars and nothing to lose really.....
 
by the way is the red stuff in the buttcap the epoxy? or is that just felt fuzz lol?

how have you tried taking it off? and are you sure its epoxy? it is possible that its a wood glue or elmers?

have you tried lightly hitting it with a cordless impact or hammer on a lower setting? with a bit that fits the screw (to prevent stripping it)?

ive had to to this before on cues....if your careful it wont hurt it.....i mean dont hook up the fastenall you change your tires with lmfao.....cordless is great with adj settings.
 
greyghost said:
make a lead insert for the bumper.......1oz fishing weights are small....you cna get them in round disks theyare about 3/8" thick and 1/2" wide......


i know i know i'm awesome......

or you could get you someone to mix tungsten powder with a rubberized CA and make a hard and heavy bumper!!!!

your welcome!

-Greyghost:cool:


only way i can see to heat up the pin to remove would be with a soldering gun so you could touch it to head of bolt.....but most likely it would have to be milled out.....which is a PIA and dangerous op for the cue.....no matter what any repair or maker does alot of heat is going to occur.
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Pretty much where I was going. I thought of a lead mixture, but tungsten would probably be better. Whether it's that or getting the bolt loose, it's going to be a project, not suitable for Mickey, that's for sure.

All the best,
WW
 
Adding 3/4 of an ounce ruins the balance and the hit of that cue.
There's a way to do it without removing that bolt.
 
WildWing said:
Pretty much where I was going. I thought of a lead mixture, but tungsten would probably be better. Whether it's that or getting the bolt loose, it's going to be a project, not suitable for Mickey, that's for sure.

All the best,
WW
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yea either requires a lathe......i sure as chit wouldn't enjoy taking the pin out i'll tell ya that much, not on any equipment lol.

gimme a cuetek or a moochie and ill not sweat roflmao
 
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