WPA Rules For Transgenders
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Annie O did not exactly have the support of her peers. She went to court and made them let her/him play after being refused entrance. Fortunately for the women's tour she was not up to speed with the top women pros so it did not matter much. But had someone that was a solid men's tour pro done the same thing the women might have spent the money appealing and taken the matter to higher courts. I liked Annie and visited his/her shop once. Annie was a very talented cuemaker. Annie bought supplies from me for years and I always thought Annie was born a woman until I found out why some other cuemaker was mad that Annie received a higher cuemaker ranking than himself and left the ICA over it.
I don't want to beat a dead horse buy I will anyway.
For those of you that don't see the difference between the men and the women when you watch them stroke the ball let me explain why I think you miss the difference and then we can get back to talking specifically about transgendered players.
Men clearly use their strength and quickness to their advantage on the break shot but many believe this is the only time this advantage comes into play. The reason so many think this is because the balls go into the holes more times than not, so we rarely dissect how they got there. For instance, when you watch top male players shoot a table length shot where they need to draw the ball back a few feet, they make it look easy because they are operating well within their capabilities. Now when you watch a female shoot the same shot -- she may make it but she does so while teetering right on the brink of her capability. This doesn't stand out as much as it used to because of our faster playing conditions but it's still there if you pay attention. If don't see this difference you need to stop watching so many matches and start watching the players practice. The difference is significant. This difference makes the margin for error much smaller for the women than it is for the men.
For those of you that don't see the difference between the men and the women when you watch them stroke the ball let me explain why I think you miss the difference and then we can get back to talking specifically about transgendered players.
Men clearly use their strength and quickness to their advantage on the break shot but many believe this is the only time this advantage comes into play. The reason so many think this is because the balls go into the holes more times than not, so we rarely dissect how they got there. For instance, when you watch top male players shoot a table length shot where they need to draw the ball back a few feet, they make it look easy because they are operating well within their capabilities. Now when you watch a female shoot the same shot -- she may make it but she does so while teetering right on the brink of her capability. This doesn't stand out as much as it used to because of our faster playing conditions but it's still there if you pay attention. If don't see this difference you need to stop watching so many matches and start watching the players practice. The difference is significant. This difference makes the margin for error much smaller for the women than it is for the men.
Evidence does not support the opposite.
Then call me ignorant. There's one thing most women, including myself, aren't willing to do that men are. That is to become totally selfish in a game where the payout is so minimal, it's ridiculous. You have to be selfish to become great. If you're making tons of money, then there's a trade-off that you can make life better for your family.
So what to men do to make money playing pool? They gamble. They enter into a potentially dangerous situation to make money. Many enjoy it. Don't say it's not dangerous. I know people who have been killed because of it.
Don't rationalize that women don't play as well because it's physical. It's not. I can power through any given shot just as well as any male pro can. The difference is how much I'm willing to practice and put aside my responsibilities as an adult. Women draw the line in places many men don't.
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I will concede that men do have the advantage in the top range of stroke power, but this can be easily overcome by playing proper patterns for your own style of play. You do not need to crush the break in order to be effective, either. I still see no real proof that men are better suited to excel at pool than woman. One line in a study of hormonal cycles does not prove men are better equipped for this game. I think the entirety of the game of pool is within the scope of a woman's "diminished" abilities of spatial recognition.
That is the problem You are supposed to address issues like this by thinking, not feeling.
Men are superior in a lot of competitive activities where physical strength is not an issue Pool is one example, chipping and putting in golf, chess, bridge.
It should not be startling that when males evolved in a hunter role where competitiveness might mean the difference between eating or not, thousands of years later males are generally better at competitive activities than females.
That same study made reference to the fact that woman outperformed men in verbal skills. I believe it made it sound like it was by a good amount as well. That means that no man can become a great poet, author, statesman etc. Etc.
But that must just be anomaly.
But that must just be anomaly.
Erhino41,
It's not just about "the top range of stroke power". My point is, say one player is capable of drawing the ball 3 table lengths while another player is only capable of drawing it a single length. Now say a shot only requires a 3/4 length of the table draw stroke. Which player will be more comfortable performing this shot? Now they both may make the shot and get the required position but in a game that requires such perfection, the player with the greater capability will execute the shot more often.
And to Fran, I won't feign outrage at you labeling all great male players as being selfish if you don't get outraged by my OPINION that this game is much more physical than many believe. Also, this point of view that I have -- actually makes me respect our women players even more because I feel they have to work twice as hard on other parts of their game to make up for their stroking deficiencies.
It's not just about "the top range of stroke power". My point is, say one player is capable of drawing the ball 3 table lengths while another player is only capable of drawing it a single length. Now say a shot only requires a 3/4 length of the table draw stroke. Which player will be more comfortable performing this shot? Now they both may make the shot and get the required position but in a game that requires such perfection, the player with the greater capability will execute the shot more often.
And to Fran, I won't feign outrage at you labeling all great male players as being selfish if you don't get outraged by my OPINION that this game is much more physical than many believe. Also, this point of view that I have -- actually makes me respect our women players even more because I feel they have to work twice as hard on other parts of their game to make up for their stroking deficiencies.
I'd also like to point out that most humans, male or female, will never in their entire lifetime play as good as Joshua Roberts or Siming Chen no matter how much effort they put into the game. Aside from everything mentioned some people are limited to their aptitude. I've seen people who played their entire life that cannot beat a solid B player at any pool game. That is sad but its true.
I think the "advantage" is strictly numbers based...there are simply more men that play and the larger the sample size the more likely it is to find someone who can play at the higher levels. This has nothing to do with innate ability, and more to do with statistics.
I'm not making any statements about the fundamental differences between men and women...I don't know enough to make such statements. What I do know is that there is some part of the explanation that must be attributed to the difference in the number of total female players vs total male players.
A group of 1,000 randomly selected pool players is likely to have more world beaters than a group of 100 randomly selected pool players, regardless of anything else.
Just something to keep in mind for this type of discussion.
Women cannot compete with men when it comes to pillaging, and raping. I know because I pillaged for many years and never saw a woman at the pro pillaging level.
As for raping I must confess that it wasn't my strong suit. I would usually only ask and almost always get turned down on the spot.
I was a pretty damn good pillager, though. :smile:
As for raping I must confess that it wasn't my strong suit. I would usually only ask and almost always get turned down on the spot.
I was a pretty damn good pillager, though. :smile:
It's not just about pool. You have to be selfish to be a great athlete because it's takes an incredible amount of time to be great. Now, if there's real money to be made, you will have a support team that will help pick up the slack for you while you neglect your adult responsibilities. However, if you're poor, then you are probably leaving someone in the lurch while you tirelessly practice for a sport that you know will probably not cover your bills.
And yes, I will repeat again ---- I can shoot any given shot required in competition just as good as any top male pro can --- Even the break. The issue for me is consistency because I wasn't willing to ignore my responsibilities as an adult and I wasn't about to put anyone else through it along with me.
I wish there was a like button for this.
JC
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F off with that remark. You may not like a person based upon what they have done or what you have heard they have done on the past but that is too far. You are way out of line.
Fran,
If you had put in as much time on the table as Earl, do you really believe you could spin the cue ball around, force follow it from here to there, and draw it back like it was on fire, as well as he could?
If you had put in as much time on the table as Earl, do you really believe you could spin the cue ball around, force follow it from here to there, and draw it back like it was on fire, as well as he could?
JC
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Yet there are a hundreds of male players today who would rob her blind. Wrong century?
JC