You're in the outfield trying to field a bunt. Not even close.
$2000 Bank Bend Challenge
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You're in the outfield trying to field a bunt. Not even close.
Very scary- I dont know how some of these people find their way home- Sober!
We're listening. Please teach us something. We admit that we're not as good with the cheating stuff as you are.
Catch you later,
Dave
PS: Honestly and seriously, I do hope you will share your knowledge and tricks concerning how you created such a convincing video cheat. That would be interesting and even help all of us feel better about all of the time we've spent with this thread the last couple of days putting up with your deception, attempted cheat, and attempted slander.
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Could you share with us what you think the two "tells" were? Bob and I also detected some "tells," but I would like to hear what you and others saw.
Thanks,
Dave
My goal was the prove they wouldn't pay up by nit picking the complex setup rather than the actual shot. Mission accomplished.
Cleary - 1
Screen splicers - 0
Impossible to tell without seeing the real thing (which I've never seen) but it could be as simple as those weighted, trick balls. If you shoot them softly, they'll practically go in a circle. Then slightly speed up the video and done. That would be the easiest way. I'm guessing that because it doesn't look like the 9 ball ever hits the back of the pocket, and you'd expect that if it had any speed on it. Bob also mentioned that the cue ball spin seemed to die off too quickly.
How'd I do?
How'd I do?
Cleary was quick to point out that he used Aramith balls. You can trust him.
Super quick. But honestly, I'm a liar. (Love that saying lol)
Just don't make it look to real.
I bust up the banks like Bernie Sanders.
Explain how the 9 ball goes into the rail with the stripe pretty much on the vertical axis and appears on the other side of the tube on a 45 slant. Explain how you hit low left on the cue ball, which should transfer to top right on the 9 ball, yet the 9 has low left spin just like the cue ball. I'm pretty sure if we were to have access to a 60fps version we'd be able to see a chalk spot on the 9 ball at some point.
Edit: Also I'm putting this down as an edited video because of the changes of the shadow on the wall. As soon as the 9 ball appears on the other side of the tube, the shadows instantly change. And isn't that a 7ft table too?
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Apparantly he doesn't have to. I was honestly surprised a edited video took so long with all the tech nerds here. A seasoned player shouldn't have been fooled by it. I sure as chit wasnt.
It was entertaining without doubt though. But I'm not like many who are always wondering if I seen something wrong either.
Then again once whe I was h.p. At reverend jugheads over in broken arrow ok. Bucky brown a magician from New York I believe I memory serves correct did wave his hands and the 9 ball disappeared after I broke and he didn't touch it. Just waived above it after he said how he had never seen anyone make the 9 like I just did. Lol, "whatdaya mean it's still on the spot?"
Waived and POOF! He never did take me up on the road trip lol
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I'm disappointed also, Dave. But, with me, it's more with you and Bob than with
Cleary. As he pointed out, this was a test on his part, and the way I see it, you two failed.
Can a bank be bent an appreciable amount? There is no doubt in my mind that it can, as in my 40 years of playing, I have done it, and I have had it done to me. Both times, it was not on purpose. When I did it, it was off the long rail playing a safe, and I ended up making the ball because it curved on me. At first we thought it was the slate, but it didn't curve at the slate seam. We tried numerous times to get another ball to roll off, thinking that might have been it, but we couldn't.
The other time, I was playing basically a banger that knew nothing. He didn't even know that the bank he was going to shoot couldn't go because of a blocker ball in the way. He just wacked it hard and I'll be darn if it didn't go in! It had to curve around the blocking ball. Several other good players watching were as astounded as I was, and asked "what the heck did I just see? How did he do that?" Don't know how he or I did it, but we did.
So, while I don't believe it is a useful shot as I don't think anyone can do it on demand, I do think it is very possible under just the right conditions, whatever those may be. Now, Cleary's bank was more than what I saw, but I have been around long enough that no shot I see on a table anymore makes me say "that's impossible" without first really checking into it.
The problem I have with you and Bob, and that you both devised the test thinking that a ball could not be bent at all. You were both proven wrong. So, you devised a test, that while I think that you devised it in good faith, the test was flawed to start with. Too many stipulations that essentially make it where you had to be able to repeat the bend to have it valid, or you had to go through all the filming prerequisites on each and every attempt at the shot. Hardly anyone was going to be willing to do that. And, it also eliminated any flukes such as Cleary's video which clearly showed the ball bending drastically. Yet, you claim it bent less than an inch.??
Now, if you two had stated that you didn't think the video was legit, and left it at that, it would be one thing. But, you didn't. You used your "technicality" clause to get out of paying on it. Which means that the initial goal wasn't to see if a ball could actually be bent or not, and then learn from it, but to try and prove that it can't be bent a fair amount, no matter what it took to prove it.
The problem here, as I see it, is this is NOT a case of "the science says it can't be done, and this is why.." . In reality, the science says it CAN be done. Problem is, nobody seems to be able to do it on command because the science parameters are so tight for it to actually happen with any kind of frequency. (which I believe also includes a defective rail, among other "non-standard" conditions.)
I don't know Dave, it's possible Bob may have faked this shot. I, for one, wouldn't pay him.
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It's hard to get anything past you. Well, almost everything got past you this time but normally, i've heard it's hard.
There's over 40 bank pool matches on Accu Stats' website, and countless bank shots in various other games.
I bet you'd have a hard time finding many bending bank shots, let alone one that bends as much as Cleary's "shot".
Leave it to an amateur to get the biggest bend on a bank shot.
ALL HAIL CLEARY!!! KING OF THE BENDY BANK SHOT!!
I bet you'd have a hard time finding many bending bank shots, let alone one that bends as much as Cleary's "shot".
Leave it to an amateur to get the biggest bend on a bank shot.
ALL HAIL CLEARY!!! KING OF THE BENDY BANK SHOT!!
In defense of Cleary and amateurs around the world, you see them make some of the most absurd shots ever that you will never see a pro even attempt...
If there are over 40 bank shot matches on Accustats, then there are hundreds of 9ball matches on youtube and accustats combined, but I know that none of them will have the 9ball combo this guy pulled on me yesterday.
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Even if that was the case, I still didn't appreciate his dishonestly, his apparent desire to sabotage the challenge, and his disrespectful, mean-spirited, and slanderous tone.
I appreciate your honest opinion, but I honestly think Bob and I stood up fairly well to cleary's attempted bullying, and we helped expose his video for the fraud it was.
I agree 100%. In fact, there are numerous examples of legitimate bank bends, along with logical explanations for why and how banks should bend, on my bending a bank resource page.
Again, I agree 100%.
Regards,
Dave
I'm the same way until I see something that makes absolutely no sense based on all of my past experience and physics-based knowledge and understanding. Then I will honestly be very skeptical until I or others can come up with conclusive proof and/or a logical explanation.
This thread reminds me of another fairly recent thread involving the artistic billiard shots posted by Martin van Rhee. Bob and I knew and we suggested that the action of the shots violated common-sense and physics-based knowledge, but an "angry mob" still accused us of having inadequate strokes and/or jealousy, or something like that. Many people were convinced by the video "evidence" that the shots were legitimate. Later, it became clear that the CB was pre-spun before each shot. If you study the video very carefully, you can see evidence of the "trick." If you or others haven't seen this video yet, check it out. If you have good 3-cushion and masse-shot sense, the shots won't look right ... because they aren't.
Regards,
Dave