How do you think these five women would do against:
Oscar, Corey, Rodney, SVB, Woodword (or any of your top five (male) USA players)
in a Mosconi-Cup style event?
I'll take the USA Men - 11 - 8
Who is the best woman player all time
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How do you think these five women would do against:
Oscar, Corey, Rodney, SVB, Woodword (or any of your top five (male) USA players)
in a Mosconi-Cup style event?
I'll take the USA Men - 11 - 8
with respect to all the top asian ladies at the moment, how do you even begin to rank them above ladies like Corr and Fischer and Balukas?
eye test???
I'm not a huge believer in in having to have 20 years worth of titles but fack, Centeno is a baby and has yet to build that resume, Wu won world titles at 16 and has done little since to indicate he can play at world beater level consistently
consistence is the key to ascertaining how good someone is in pool more so than most sports imo, only question in my mind becomes high gear vs duration
Ceneno and Chen are far removed from accomplishing even what Kelly Fischer has yet alone the holy trinity
I hope the top ladies today eclipse those of the past, but they're not there yet
eye test???
I'm not a huge believer in in having to have 20 years worth of titles but fack, Centeno is a baby and has yet to build that resume, Wu won world titles at 16 and has done little since to indicate he can play at world beater level consistently
consistence is the key to ascertaining how good someone is in pool more so than most sports imo, only question in my mind becomes high gear vs duration
Ceneno and Chen are far removed from accomplishing even what Kelly Fischer has yet alone the holy trinity
I hope the top ladies today eclipse those of the past, but they're not there yet
I mean, I am really impressed with some female shooters. I actually get a little more learning done watching things like the women's euro championship rather than the top male pros, because the women tend play at a slower pace where I have time to really absorb everything they're doing and thinking, and they manage it without some of the ungodly physical abilities we see in a few of the male pros, so I can actually use all of the things the women are doing when I go to the table to practice.
Sure, in a women's tournament despite the slower pace they still clear racks and in terms of just shot making I think a lot of women in practice sessions can put up a similar performance but if I'm honest I think in a Mosconi-cup style event the women would get steam-rolled, especially if they used the shot clock.. Even without a shot clock, your normal shooting ability can start to fail you because of how intimidating it is to be up against a world class pro like Feijen/Hohmann/SVB who are just ripping through most racks without even having to blink. It's not an innate ability of men-versus-women thing really, it's just that the events the women play are typically much weaker fields and less pressured and they don't have a lot of experience going up against monsters. I doubt their best games would show up until they got used to playing competitively against the top echelon of the men's division.
If you can run a hundred at straight pool, you can walk into a pool hall like you belong.
....you can always tell a player when he walks into a room.
If the top ten women players today played in tournaments like the U.S. Open a lot of good men players would get embarrassed. Even the best players better be at their best to beat them. I can't remember who Karen beat in the first round last year but he was one of the top men players. And there are at least a dozen Asian women who play as good or better than Karen.
Personally I think the time is right to have a 64 players event with 32 men and 32 women. Granted a man would probably win it but there would be a lot of interesting matches and a lot of so called "upsets." That might be the shot in the arm that Pool needs to get some attention.
US Open
Karen beat Ko Pin Yi 11-4 on the first round. Later she went hill/hill with Jayson Shaw and lost.
Wedge
Karen beat Ko Pin Yi 11-4 on the first round. Later she went hill/hill with Jayson Shaw and lost.
Wedge
These new crop of young Asian gals and good (and cute) but there is no one person dominating women's pool.
Jean Balukas was before my time but Allison Fisher, during her prime, clearly dominated women's pool. She was just expected to win and did in many ways similar to Tiger Woods in his prime.
Right now, I think we can say the young Asian gals (especially PRC crew) are strong and expected to be there heading to the final but it's hard to pick one as The One that should win. Earlier in their career, it looked as Siming Chen would pull ahead of the pack but now it may look like Shasha is playing better or maybe even Han Yu.
Chezka Centeno, she's just a full of promise right now ... no way she's even close to peaking or dominating yet.
Jean Balukas was before my time but Allison Fisher, during her prime, clearly dominated women's pool. She was just expected to win and did in many ways similar to Tiger Woods in his prime.
Right now, I think we can say the young Asian gals (especially PRC crew) are strong and expected to be there heading to the final but it's hard to pick one as The One that should win. Earlier in their career, it looked as Siming Chen would pull ahead of the pack but now it may look like Shasha is playing better or maybe even Han Yu.
Chezka Centeno, she's just a full of promise right now ... no way she's even close to peaking or dominating yet.
Allison dominated due to the competition as she was just flat out better. If this current crop of Asians were around, Allison would not have anywhere near the amount of titles she has & that is not to disrespect her at all but it is the truth.
Perhaps you are right .. although it's all hypothetical and that's why it's hard to have these discussions who's the best of all time across generations (in most sports).
Right now, IMHO, there is no clear one person who's dominating the women's pool.
Thank you. That's kind of my point. Jean and Allison unquestionably have the best career records and were the best players of their respective eras. But this is a new day and we have a whole new crop of very talented women players. Both Allison and Karen have a lot of trouble competing against them and they've tried.
Apparently you have never seen me in person.
I'm the old man the young guys like to jump on.
Well they like it until a few racks are played. LOL.
I've had a few in the past say " Who the f##k are you?
I'm just an old guy that plays pool sonny.
Rackem up boy.
Thats still better than our men (USA) do against Europe.
I love the FargoRate system but one thing I think this system is pointing out is how today's version of nine-ball is too simple to properly assess a player's true aptitude.
If you really compare Corey Deuel to his equally rated female player will they really have similar skill sets? I say not a chance! If you compared Corey's one-pocket game and 14.1 game, or how about banks, to this female you would begin to see the separation in true skill.
I can't quite figure out why the female numbers seem a bit inflated to me but something tells me it has to do with today's version of nine-ball. To test this we would have to look at the ratings based on the game being played -- 8 ball vs 9 ball vs 10 ball. Rotation would be the ultimate test but that's just wishful thinking on my part.
If you really compare Corey Deuel to his equally rated female player will they really have similar skill sets? I say not a chance! If you compared Corey's one-pocket game and 14.1 game, or how about banks, to this female you would begin to see the separation in true skill.
I can't quite figure out why the female numbers seem a bit inflated to me but something tells me it has to do with today's version of nine-ball. To test this we would have to look at the ratings based on the game being played -- 8 ball vs 9 ball vs 10 ball. Rotation would be the ultimate test but that's just wishful thinking on my part.
Jean Balukas, Allison Fisher,, Karen Korr --in that order
In fairness it is only Karen among the real women pros who plays these open events. And her results are consistent with her Fargo rating - she is good enough to knock off the weaker pros and occasionally take down a top male pro, but she can't keep pulling it off as she gets deeper in the event. To win an event like the US Open you have to be able to beat Ko, Appleton, Alex, Jayson, Dennis and SVB in succession.
With no disrespect to her game, she can't pull that off that many upsets. Neither can many male pros of about her speed. They might beat a few world class players, but not that many in a row.