2016 BCAPL Payouts

[gutshot]

The table below is a more in-depth analysis of the payouts. This is by no means 100% accurate but it's the best I can do given the information I was able to obtain. The 3 highlighted events I did not have payouts for so I created two totals at the end to include and exclude those events from the calculations. Entry fees, administration fees and greens fees were obtained from available entry forms. Payouts are from CSI website.

Input:

• I have included the $15 administration fee per player for singles, $15 per team for scotch doubles and $25 per team for teams.

• I have included the various greens fees per player ($15, $25 & $35) (assuming 5 players charged per team for men's and 4 for women's).

• No mini tournaments were included.

• Late fees were not included in the calculations. Only CSI knows what that amount would be and that money goes directly to them.

Results:

• $660,425 in entry fees taken in.

• $60,650 was taken out for administration fees and $212,700 was taken out for greens fees for a total of $273,350 in fees. This is 41% of the entry fee resulting in 59% of the entry fee going into the prize pool ($387,675).

• Payed out approximately 111% of the total prize pool. Over $40,000 was added to the prize pool making the total payout $424,215.

• Payed out approximately 67% of the entry fee.

 

[gutshot]

Found a few mistakes. Updated table in my previous post.

I rearranged the table so that it is sorted by % of prize pool paid. Mixed 8-ball Team Platinum paid out 195% of its prize pool while the 8-ball Challenge paid out 86% of its prize pool.

 

[marcoelslager]

Best tournament?

Maybe not the best tournament at least not for the players!

 

[Perk]

At a glance it shows you why everyone wants to get into the Gold division rather than platinum.

 

[gutshot]

Yes the prize pool is a lot larger but you have to beat out 421 other teams to net $1540. If you played in the platinum teams you only had to beat 13 other teams to net $520.

At a glance it shows you why everyone wants to get into the Gold division rather than platinum.

 

[cleary]

I'm probably just confused (normal) but "greens fees", wouldn't that be part of the profit? I understand CSI does not own the tables, they pay Bad Boys, but does 100% of the $191,000 go to Bad Boys? I don't see a problem in making sure the tables are paid for by CSI and Bad Boys turning a profit from their service, it would just be a little shady if 100% of those fees didn't go to Bad Boys. Who knows what they do!

 

[watchez]

I understand CSI does not own the tables, they pay Bad Boys,

Whoever owns the tables, I wish they would clean them as they were filthy, and also replace some of the cloths -- many tables had a distinct outline of fading on them over 75% of the table, like something was sitting on them all year. And there were some bad rails.

 

[cleary]

Whoever owns the tables, I wish they would clean them as they were filthy, and also replace some of the cloths -- many tables had a distinct outline of fading on them over 75% of the table, like something was sitting on them all year. And there were some bad rails.

Does Mark have a piece of Bad Boys? I would assume but I'm not totally sure. Does he rent the tables from himself?

 

[Perk]

Yes the prize pool is a lot larger but you have to beat out 421 other teams to net $1540. If you played in the platinum teams you only had to beat 13 other teams to net $520.

Quite true...but if i want to play mini tournaments (13 teams) I can stay local, make that around here generally once per month without the big vegas expense. Its not necessarily the top $$$ that folks want, but to win that event you get tons of matches and stiff competition.

 

[bwally]

Whoever owns the tables, I wish they would clean them as they were filthy, and also replace some of the cloths -- many tables had a distinct outline of fading on them over 75% of the table, like something was sitting on them all year. And there were some bad rails.

I second this, the tables were gross.

 

[cleary]

Quite true...but if i want to play mini tournaments (13 teams) I can stay local, make that around here generally once per month without the big vegas expense. Its not necessarily the top $$$ that folks want, but to win that event you get tons of matches and stiff competition.

Well, it's no surprise why their old "system" wasn't working. They had open, advanced, master, grand master divisions and once you were bumped out of the open you had no chance to win any money. At least the new system, compared to before, is somewhat divided equally. So before, you could only really win good money in the open, which was a problem. Now, IMO, they have a new problem by chopping everyones money up between the divisions and nobody can make a real score.

As I pointed out before, they really should throw everyone in the same bracket, handicap it and let the top finishers walk with A LOT of money. They'll have no problem getting the players if first place is 30-50k in an amateur event. They have the ability to do it, they just don't. Then again, if you look at the fees involved for each tournament, maybe a bunch of different tournaments rather than a few big ones is better for them?

 

[gutshot]

It's hard to tell how the administration fees and greens fees are divided up. I would think the administration fees are used to pay for running the tournament (paying people to enter scores, cost of the software, etc.) and the greens fees are used to pay for renting the tables and who knows what else. The leftover from both of these in addition to whatever late fees they take in is their revenue.

I'm probably just confused (normal) but "greens fees", wouldn't that be part of the profit? I understand CSI does not own the tables, they pay Bad Boys, but does 100% of the $191,000 go to Bad Boys? I don't see a problem in making sure the tables are paid for by CSI and Bad Boys turning a profit from their service, it would just be a little shady if 100% of those fees didn't go to Bad Boys. Who knows what they do!

 

[sbpoolleague]

Here is a little closer analysis of just the 8-Ball Open Team event over the past 10 years. I had sketchy info for 2008, 2010, & 2011 so I omitted those years.

RED NUMBERS are estimated.

 

[watchez]

Here is a little closer analysis of just the 8-Ball Open Team event over the past 10 years. I had sketchy info for 2008, 2010, & 2011 so I omitted those years.

RED NUMBERS are estimated.

nice work...........

 

[JC]

I'm probably just confused (normal) but "greens fees", wouldn't that be part of the profit? I understand CSI does not own the tables, they pay Bad Boys, but does 100% of the $191,000 go to Bad Boys? I don't see a problem in making sure the tables are paid for by CSI and Bad Boys turning a profit from their service, it would just be a little shady if 100% of those fees didn't go to Bad Boys. Who knows what they do!

Have you ever owned a business and made payroll? If you have then you would know there is nothing shady about hiring a subcontractor and making a profit on what they do for you. The more the better.

Why do wage earners always seem shocked that people go into business to make money? A lot of it if possible while providing a service. The more the better. It's not shady and it's not sleazy. No apology required for this. Until we have taxpayer funded events that's the way it needs to be.

JC

 

[cleary]

Have you ever owned a business and made payroll? If you have then you would know there is nothing shady about hiring a subcontractor and making a profit on what they do for you. The more the better.

Why do wage earners always seem shocked that people go into business to make money? A lot of it if possible while providing a service. The more the better. It's not shady and it's not sleazy. No apology required for this. Until we have taxpayer funded events that's the way it needs to be.

JC

You're right. Matter fact, I'm not sure how they get by. They should quadruple green fees.

 

[sbpoolleague]

You're right. Matter fact, I'm not sure how they get by. They should quadruple green fees.

I'm not a personal fan of green fees because I don't practice a whole lot, don't play minis, and rarely make it deep into a tourney. Was a lot cheaper for me with the tokens.

However, having open tables is a huge convenience, and that $191,000 is very close to what the rake would have been if the tables were still coin op.

 

[cleary]

I'm not a personal fan of green fees because I don't practice a whole lot, don't play minis, and rarely make it deep into a tourney. Was a lot cheaper for me with the tokens.

However, having open tables is a huge convenience, and that $191,000 is very close to what the rake would have been if the tables were still coin op.

I don't know, just seems like a big number to me. $191,000. I get that bringing in tables isn't cheap and hanging lights requires casino Union staff etc. just, $191,000 is a lot of money.

 

[Johnnyt]

It seems to me that too many league players are *****ing here. When the pros ***** most of you tell them not to play if they don't like it. League players have the same choice...stay home. Johnnyt

 

[Put_upor_shutup]

It seems to me that too many league players are *****ing here. When the pros ***** most of you tell them not to play if they don't like it. League players have the same choice...stay home. Johnnyt

Not sure pros show up every Tuesday or Wednesday night and pay a league fee.Every week.They have guys that pay their way to all the events and they pay no BCA fees.Yet at the league national tourney money is taken from the league player and added to the pro events.I would think thats the gripe here.If pro players say F it and dont come there will still be added money for the few that show.If all the league players say F it im willing to bet the few that still play will have no national tourney to attend.I have lots of friends that get sponsored for events.Its a luxury they deserve for devoting the years to the game.

Corey says that all league should donate a dollar a week the pro events.I would be all for that as long as there was a fair way for the league guys to still get their fair share.I would like to se al league guys stand up ans say f it and see where that gets us.That aint the answer..My opinion vs your of course..