https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLBMnWHd6aw
I think they're talking about right here: https://youtu.be/qLBMnWHd6aw?t=118
I played a guy in the 8ball BCAPL nationals a couple years back. He got funny on the 8ball and said "cross corner" and pointed his cue at the side pocket. He then banked the ball into the side pocket he tapped with his cue, yet he said "cross corner". I shook his hand and said good game. I knew what he was doing, he just made a verbal mistake.
Thanks for the video.
To me, it's a tough call. I personally wouldn't have said anything after the shot because it was clear what he was trying but I can see why Jayson did. I think fireworks are good for the game and this is very much fireworks. Jayson is a good person with a good heart, Earl is the opposite of that. I don't like Earl in the least bit. That said, I think Jayson is out of line. We all get out of line sometimes though.
I don't however think anyone was in danger of being hit by a ball as Freddie suggested. He was out of line but not over the top.
Also:
Is there a video posted of the whole thing? I saw the shot but nothing really after that.
In one of the videos, after the decision was made and Jayson threw the balls, you can hear him say "If I see him outside, I'm gonna knock him out" or something to that extent.
And I'm sure he saw him outside... and I'm sure he didn't hit him. He's upset, people say and do things they don't mean when they're upset. It's going to be ok.
Thanks, that makes me feel a little better inside.
Good, I'm very concerned about your feelings.
Yes I heard Earl say something like "I didn't call no ball," which was a lie. There was a lot of other talk that wasn't audible to me.
But you're wrong that the shot wasn't obvious. That term 'obvious' has a specific definition in all rules of pool, and it means that the shot is not a bank, combination, kick, etc. This ball was a cut shot that went straight into the pocket, and was therefore obvious.
So I've directly addressed your comment about Early lying, and I want you to directly address this: Is it true that Jayson tried to hold an obvious verbal misstatement against Earl? And do you think the failure to win on that is being cheated?
Considering that he calls the ten about two seconds before shooting it I don't think I watched the wrong video. That is unless there is a rule stating that the first ball you call is the one you have to shoot.
I think the only way the ruling could have gone against Earl is if there was clear evidence that he did call the 2 ball.
And since clear evidence that Earl called the two ball had emerged before the final was played, do you still think the ruling should go against Earl or has your opinion somehow changed?
I didn't think the ruling should have gone against Earl.
Saying that the only way the ruling could have gone against him is if there was clear evidence that he called the 2 ball is not the same thing as saying that the ruling should have gone go against him if there was clear evidence that he called the 2 ball.
I believe the call-shot rules are there to make clear what shot the shooter is shooting when it's not an obvious shot (combinations, banks, clusters, etc.), not to catch someone on a technicality when they misspeak and call the wrong ball.
So, I think it was obvious that Earl was shooting the 10, and I think he should have gotten credit for pocketing the 10.
So if you and I were playing straight pool, and I was shooting only obvious shots, but called the wrong ball every time.
You would be okay with that?