World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open

realkingcobra said:
Did YOU see the 15 pack? Was it on a Diamond 9ft? Was that against the 10 ball ghost....with no racking AID? That means racking with a triangle, NO magic racks or the use of any other racking aid.
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Are they gonna need a certain color chalk also? So you want them to be able to manipulate the rack?
You've gone completely off the rails.
Jason
 
realkingcobra said:
No, the player determines their competitiveness when playing against other players. Fargo keeps track of the games played in order to kind of rate how the player would match up against other player BEFORE the play....in the efforts to be.able to make better judgments when it comes to side betting on the matches.....I clearly understand how the Fargo rating system works.

I'm more interested in FINDING the BEST skilled players on the planet every year to fill in the 64 player field to have a world championship tournament made up of the most PROBABLE best players in the world. After doing so, THEN the Fargo rating system can take over to keep track of said players.

Is that really so hard to understand?
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I think you're too hung up on the "skill" of a player. How do we even properly define skill? If it's not directly correlated with competitive results then it's pointless.

What do you think would be a more effective way of figuring out who the best player was among any ten random players? Would it be having them perform a skills test or would it be locking them in a room for a year (or years) and see who came out on top in the end? It seems you think it's the skills test. I do not. Of course we can't lock anybody into a room for years on end but if we accumulate enough data we can imitate exactly that. This is essentially what Fargo Rate does. The predicative nature of Fargo Rate is what's used to drive the algorithm. It's not the end result or the goal of the system. (This is just my impression of the system for the record so don't take my word for anything regarding Fargo Rate).

I'm surprised there are so many skeptics of this system. I think it's the coolest thing that has happened in pool in....well....maybe forever.

realkingcobra said:
Well, it's been fun playing with you guys, but I have to go deliver a pool table, haven't had much sleep since Saturday morning, my first wife and mother of my 2 oldest daughters passed away Saturday night....so now that's 3 deaths I've had to deal with in the last 2 years, my son, my mom, now my wife.
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Sorry to hear this. Hang in there.
 
BasementDweller said:
I think you're too hung up on the "skill" of a player. How do we even properly define skill? If it's not directly correlated with competitive results then it's pointless.

What do you think would be a more effective way of figuring out who the best player was among any ten random players? Would it be having them perform a skills test or would it be locking them in a room for a year (or years) and see who came out on top in the end? It seems you think it's the skills test. I do not. Of course we can't lock anybody into a room for years on end but if we accumulate enough data we can imitate exactly that. This is essentially what Fargo Rate does. The predicative nature of Fargo Rate is what's used to drive the algorithm. It's not the end result or the goal of the system. (This is just my impression of the system for the record so don't take my word for anything regarding Fargo Rate).

I'm surprised there are so many skeptics of this system. I think it's the coolest thing that has happened in pool in....well....maybe forever.
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Agree abot Fargorate - it's the nuts!

Variance.....they should look it up.

Even then they would argue that it's not 100%, 95%, 90% accurate. No matter how many times we use Pocket AA against any other hand, and it's been shown on TV 1,000's of times where AA loses or by using math they just don't get it.
Jason
 
I don't know you Cobra, but I am very sorry to hear this. I can't imagine how difficult this must be. Pool players will always disagree and bicker but we appreciate your passion for the game and what you bring to our community.
 
realkingcobra said:
ONE of my concerns about any kind of rating system on
players to better match them up for the purpose of betting on them is....how do you
prevent a player from working with a lesser rated player, whom according to the Fargo
rating system....is NOT suppose to win....and therefore the players place a sizeable bet
on the weaker player....he then wins by a game.....and they split the winnings:confused:
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As I say around here quite a bit anymore, Utopia isn't one of the options.

You place your bets, you takes your chances.


Jeff Livingston
 
Besides that, a good conversation might keep me awake, only been able to sleep about 4 hours since Saturday morning anyway.
 
Stopped having some coffee right now, falling a sleep while I'm driving is what bothers me....but I have to get this customer his Diamond ProAm, I've already had truck mechanical delays for the last delivery date. I have to get ready for another funeral so it has to go now. You can call if you'd like 702-927-5689
 
BmoreMoney said:
Hi Mile, sorry if you answered my question already but if you did I must have missed it. It was I regards to Fargo handicapping results from the open. As you and I discussed previously , Fargo uses games on the wire as opposed to a ball spot system. So taking that into consideration, how did all of the open ,at he's turn out? To be clear and only as an example with arbitrary #'s - so playa A was rated 794 in Fargo and playa B was a 735. I don't know exactly how it works but let's say that would have equated to playa B getting 3 games on the wire going to 11. So how did the Fargo handicapping actually turn out? IE; the spot for playa B was 3 games but actual result from the match was A wins 11-5. Do you see what I'm getting at? I know right now you're only using Fargo right now for say league handicapping ( although I'm sure you are trying to ultimately position yourself so it can and will be used to lay odds ) - which is really why I am interested in the results and asking the question. THANKS for any info!
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iusedtoberich said:
Anyone can figure this out, it just takes work. Go to:

http://fairmatch.fargorate.com

and put in the race, and each player's rating, for the predicted outcome. Then compare that to the scores that are posted on the bracket. Do this for each match, and see how close things were for your liking:)

Here is a list of the fargo ratings right BEFORE the US Open. Use these numbers:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=437279

Good luck:)
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I'm still trying to figure out how Fargo Rate is going to get more added money into tournaments to draw in the better players, unless everyone is just expecting the players to just pay even higher entry fees, while the added amount still suffers.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Anyone can figure this out, it just takes work. Go to:

http://fairmatch.fargorate.com

and put in the race, and each player's rating, for the predicted outcome. Then compare that to the scores that are posted on the bracket. Do this for each match, and see how close things were for your liking:)

Here is a list of the fargo ratings right BEFORE the US Open. Use these numbers:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=437279

Good luck:)
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Can you, or anyone else please explain how a rating system can help the Pros earn more prize money?
 
realkingcobra said:
I'm still trying to figure out how Fargo Rate is going to get more added money into tournaments to draw in the better players, unless everyone is just expecting the players to just pay even higher entry fees, while the added amount still suffers.
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Right now Fargorate is simply a very robust ranking list. What, if any, long term plans for it, Mike has been mum about since day 1.

I will say, for me, its helped to unite the sport. We now know who all the top players are, even when they never play on US soil. Its fun to follow the list, imo.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Anyone can figure this out, it just takes work. Go to:

http://fairmatch.fargorate.com

and put in the race, and each player's rating, for the predicted outcome. Then compare that to the scores that are posted on the bracket. Do this for each match, and see how close things were for your liking:)

Here is a list of the fargo ratings right BEFORE the US Open. Use these numbers:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=437279

Good luck:)
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Thanks rich, that seems to be exactly what I was asking. I didn't know how to find out what the spot would be using Fargo. I appreciate the info but honestly I don't think I will be doing all of that. I was kinda thinking Mike already has done this. I would think since he is promoting Fargo he would be advertising this ( assuming the results were favorable for Fargo - if not I'd be quiet about it too lol ), at least thats one thing I would do if it were my product and I was trying to get as many people on board as possible. Maybe AT LARGE may wanna do it, he really seems to enjoy doing that kind of stuff 😊. Anyway, thanks again!
 
Hang in there Glen and safe travels - stay strong to keep sharing with all of us.

My most sincere condolences, sir.

K



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iusedtoberich said:
Right now Fargorate is simply a very robust ranking list. What, if any, long term plans for it, Mike has been mum about since day 1.

I will say, for me, its helped to unite the sport. We now know who all the top players are, even when they never play on US soil. Its fun to follow the list, imo.
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I've been saying since it was first introduced what I believe Mikes goal with it is. I believe his ultimate goal would to be consolidating ALL leagues nationally ( maybe worldwide as well ) under one body ( under his control ) whether is be the bcapl or a total new name. Think of the cash one would rake in if they controlled all league action ( or even a good portion of it ). Next would be somehow monetizing for use creating the lines wherever legal betting on pool is. LICENSING to casinos etc etc. I'd guess it also could be used at some point for a pro tour ( as in a tour card in golf ).
 
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