Team USA Still in the Lead

One thing I will say about the Mosconi Cup, it seems like everybody comes out of the woodwork to voice their thoughts.

This is the most action AzBilliards Discussion Forum has had in a long while. :smile:
 
Corey Deuel's only contribution to the game. And people are still buying the fairy tales that he's "reading" the racks. lol

He was probably the game's most talented breaker. Your post is off the mark. He was reading racks. And, some people don't know this, but he could crush the ball when he wanted to. He just chose the soft break because it gave him the best chance to win. I admire him for figuring it out. I think the break rules should go out the window. If you won the rack, break how you'd like.
 
I accepted your apology once for trolling me on this forum. Won't happen again. :)

Lol. Keep dreaming. I've never apologized to you once. Most of your posts are ok. This thread is complete garbage.
 
Lol. Keep dreaming. I've never apologized to you once. Most of your posts are ok. This thread is complete garbage.

Why do you keep posting in this thread, then?

You did apologize to me for trolling. You can deny it, but I remember your PM to me.
 
I'm not saying that the discovery of what you can do with a perfect rack didn't instigate it with the arrival of the Sardo rack. But it wasn't the Sardo rack or Corey whining for the format change. It was the Euros, the loudest being Mika & that is the history.

Thankfully the US Open & Mike Zuglans events still recognize traditional formats, as it should be. You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

Ah. So if you had your way, you'd like the soft break back in the game. That's what you're saying, right? You're upset about the break box, and the 3 ball break rules, like they use in Europe?
 
Why do you keep posting in this thread, then?

You did apologize to me for trolling. You can deny it, but I remember your PM to me.

Must be an ether leak in your house this morning. Would explain a LOT....
 
He was probably the game's most talented breaker. Your post is off the mark. He was reading racks. And, some people don't know this, but he could crush the ball when he wanted to. He just chose the soft break because it gave him the best chance to win. I admire him for figuring it out.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. He got the soft break right and that's all there is about this mediocre player, from where I'm standing. In fact, I was watching a couple of nights ago the 2009 MC which was won by the USA and guess who was the worst breaker on both teams. Cue ball constantly out of control, rarely more than one ball passing the head string and almost half of the times he didn't make a ball. Good stuff from such a break "professor".
 
Not a fan of the soft break. Don't mind the break box either. 3 balls should be side pocket not headstring though or combination of pocketed balls & past side pocket balls. Don't like the 9 on the spot or my supreme hatred, the alternating break. It takes an aspect from the game that shouldn't be removed, applying pressure & the ability to respond to it or not, it reveals those that may have a good game but a 10 cent head real quick.
 
Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. He got the soft break right and that's all there is about this mediocre player, from where I'm standing. In fact, I was watching a couple of nights ago the 2009 MC which was won by the USA and guess who was the worst breaker on both teams. Cue ball constantly out of control, rarely more than one ball passing the head string and almost half of the times he didn't make a ball. Good stuff from such a break "professor".

And how many US Opens have you won?
Any other titles?
Yeah. Thought not.
 
Not a fan of the soft break. Don't mind the break box either. 3 balls should be side pocket not headstring though or combination of pocketed balls & past side pocket balls. Don't like the 9 on the spot or my supreme hatred, the alternating break. It takes an aspect from the game that shouldn't be removed, applying pressure & the ability to respond to it or not, it reveals those that may have a good game but a 10 cent head real quick.

Oh. So you support SOME of the Euro changes.
Just clarifying.
 
Oh. So you support SOME of the Euro changes.

Just clarifying.



I never saw the box changing anything, the wing ball can be made from there as well as the 1 in the side so it really doesn't limit anything.

3 past the side or combination of balls made & balls past the side is a deterrent to the bird break which needed to be deterred but you don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. I've seen recent tourneys with 3 past headstring rule where a guy makes 2 balls, clearly didn't soft break but was called for a foul, really? That's a little much.

The most heinous change is that of alt break, it just changes the dynamic of the game and thereby the game itself. What did Fast Eddy tell Fats in the Hustler? When I miss you can shoot! Just don't think sitting after you break & run a rack is natural, cause it's not. When I miss, foul or play a safe you can shoot. See much alt break in gambling? No you don't.

Oh and since we're clarifying are you now acknowledging that it was the Euros responsible for the Millennial Mentality everybody gets a turn change now, just sayin'
 
Oh and since we're clarifying are you now acknowledging that it was the Euros responsible for the Millennial Mentality everybody gets a turn change now, just sayin'

Absolutely ridiculous.

Tennis doesn't play winner serves, football (real football) doesn't player scorer kicks off, American football and Ruby don't restart matches by the team who scored receiving the ball, basketball doesn't put the ball back in the hands of the team who scored either, etc., etc., etc. I could go on and on.

Do all of these sports have "millenial mentalities"?
 
Oh and since we're clarifying are you now acknowledging that it was the Euros responsible for the Millennial Mentality everybody gets a turn change now, just sayin'

Maybe it was the people who raised us.... Oh wait that means it's your fault now that's not gonna fly is it?
 
Our players, especially Shane, play waaaaay to Aggressive for short races. When Shane goes for the super tough shot that doesnt have guaranteed position he sells out in the short race.

Longer race and he has more time to make it up and there is less chance of him missing a bunch of those shots. One miss like that will completely screw you in a race to 5. Especially alternating break where your opponent gets to the table no matter how good or bad you play.

The Euros just play a much more conservative game the we do and that is what wins races to 5. Justin's full table, off angle 1-9 combo yesterday was absolutely amazing and at that point our guys didnt have much to lose, but a missed shot like that and we lost that set worse then what we already did. IMO, that was the best match of the tournament so far, with the exception of Justin and Skylar on Day 1.

9-ball is very aggressive in general and at a lower level like most of us Amateurs the aggressiveness can win a short race. At the elite level it sells it out.
What you said about playing overly aggressive in these short races is the KEY. Sky also took a flier all of the way down the long rail to lose the game when there was an relatively easy safety to play instead. You could almost see the look of amazement of Team Europe when he chose that shot.

But to me, this is the Captain's fault. The players need to be trained for this exact situation and coached on how to win short races without taking virtually any low percentage shots unless the shot carries the same percentage to win the game as the safety.

I mean, it all comes down to execution under a very high pressure situation. But the key word used by the commentators that seems very appropriate for this type of match is to master the art of CONTAINMENT shots and wait for the right opening to go offensive.
 
Absolutely ridiculous.



Tennis doesn't play winner serves, football (real football) doesn't player scorer kicks off, American football and Ruby don't restart matches by the team who scored receiving the ball, basketball doesn't put the ball back in the hands of the team who scored either, etc., etc., etc. I could go on and on.



Do all of these sports have "millenial mentalities"?



No what those sports have is the rules they have always had. Pool is not tennis, basketball, football or any other sport, it's pool, it's different & should remain that way. You want "your fair turn", go play one of those sports, don't change a sports rules to make it more palatable to your delicate sensibilities snowflake, leave it to those that are attracted to that kind of challenge
 
LOL

What a sore loser. He has my sympathy though, all I remember of him in that match is trying to escape from snookers. Gray toyed him tactically.

Lol . Someone shld tell bird-man to be careful what he wished for.
All justin birdman does is to look cocky swaying his skinny punk body ard the table trying to look like a world champ.. please.. i get it.. its one of those little tricks high school kids who just undergone puberty at my local pool hall does to gain some respect.
But off a sudden, all that swag's gone when i start running a few racks in their face and of a sudden they start walking normally again.
 
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