To spin or not to spin?
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If Black Balled will play, you got side action with me too. Here's your chance to back up your mouth and make some $$$
Jason
Can I get down on this too????? Oh yeah, as to why I always spin everything - as I said it's how I was taught--- by Cigar Tom. Cigar SPINS EVERYTHING and I basically learned my 9th all ga,email from him and good or bad I Def picked it up from him ( although it seems to have worked out pretty damn well for him lol )!
Didbt read all the thread. Put me down for some side spin on almost every shot.
I don't think there is a pro alive that stays on the vertical axis most shots. It might be a good practice drill, but that's it, IMO.
Spin is not something to be scared of and only to be used as a last resort. If you don't know how to spin the CB at will, under any circumstance, you're dead in the water.
I don't think there is a pro alive that stays on the vertical axis most shots. It might be a good practice drill, but that's it, IMO.
Spin is not something to be scared of and only to be used as a last resort. If you don't know how to spin the CB at will, under any circumstance, you're dead in the water.
Neil F. was using his memory as a kid for reference which is about as reliable as a FIAT in the wintertime, maybe it's the fact that the cueballs back then were healthy and white not this sickly/measly red dotted color. Either way tacos and beer sound like the best solution for ANY topic to be discussed, whether it be English on a cueball or who sang The Sound of Silence better.
Neil F.
FO SHO, U KNOW IT!!! LOL Do you think this may actually happen or is somebody just woof woofin? We KNOW our boy will get down and there's plenty of cheez for him to get down with so the real question is gonna be the chump.
Most people use too much english, and too often, yes.
Playing Safe
Absolutely, running a few balls and playing safe will get you very far if you can execute the safe. The great thing Ive found about pass banking is the ability to control where you send the object ball to....while you stuff the cue ball behind something. If you dont learn anything about banking....learn that.
Absolutely, running a few balls and playing safe will get you very far if you can execute the safe. The great thing Ive found about pass banking is the ability to control where you send the object ball to....while you stuff the cue ball behind something. If you dont learn anything about banking....learn that.
Spinology
When you get to where you are feeling the shots you realize that all of them have a degree of Cut induced Throw and need varying degrees of side spin to keep them to a true line to the pocket, now do you always need to use it, maybe not but that has to figure in to where do you want the cue ball? Excessive use of spin, I don't need that but I sure use spin to achieve my results albeit it half tips of spin most times.
When you get to where you are feeling the shots you realize that all of them have a degree of Cut induced Throw and need varying degrees of side spin to keep them to a true line to the pocket, now do you always need to use it, maybe not but that has to figure in to where do you want the cue ball? Excessive use of spin, I don't need that but I sure use spin to achieve my results albeit it half tips of spin most times.
try this
Set up some semi hard shots, like they are the game ball. shoot each one with
center a few times and then with a little OS, IN, or what ever you like. See
which way is the easiest. For me this is what I think of as my out shot. A lot of
times a shot comes up, and it could be any ball, 1, 2 etc. and I know if I can
cinch this ball the way the other balls lay I can get out. For me a little OS is the
easiest on most of these shots. It seems like center should be easier, but it isn't
for me. I don't know, or have played any of the good players of today, but I know
and have played quite a few of the top players of the past. Buddy, Louie,Greg Stevens
etc that were in Dallas (with out of a lot of success I might add), and they all played
with spin almost every shot. I played or watched might be a better word, countless
hours of straight pool with Dick Lane (runner up U.S. OPEN ) and he always played
with a little spin except on straight ins. Also played a million times with Bob Vanover
Cigar Tom's brother and 9 times Texas State Champion and he played almost every
shot with a little OS or what he called helping English. The best player I have ever
seen that really played center ball almost entirely was my old buddy Billy Stroud.
Maybe with the fast cloth and LD shafts you can move the CB around easier than
in the old days and don't need to spin it as much like we had to to move it around.
jack
Set up some semi hard shots, like they are the game ball. shoot each one with
center a few times and then with a little OS, IN, or what ever you like. See
which way is the easiest. For me this is what I think of as my out shot. A lot of
times a shot comes up, and it could be any ball, 1, 2 etc. and I know if I can
cinch this ball the way the other balls lay I can get out. For me a little OS is the
easiest on most of these shots. It seems like center should be easier, but it isn't
for me. I don't know, or have played any of the good players of today, but I know
and have played quite a few of the top players of the past. Buddy, Louie,Greg Stevens
etc that were in Dallas (with out of a lot of success I might add), and they all played
with spin almost every shot. I played or watched might be a better word, countless
hours of straight pool with Dick Lane (runner up U.S. OPEN ) and he always played
with a little spin except on straight ins. Also played a million times with Bob Vanover
Cigar Tom's brother and 9 times Texas State Champion and he played almost every
shot with a little OS or what he called helping English. The best player I have ever
seen that really played center ball almost entirely was my old buddy Billy Stroud.
Maybe with the fast cloth and LD shafts you can move the CB around easier than
in the old days and don't need to spin it as much like we had to to move it around.
jack
I agree wit j-pot.
A tad of outsde, for my case barrel...unless it is straight in.
I wonder if the ball polisher has decreased the need for 'helping english'?
A tad of outsde, for my case barrel...unless it is straight in.
I wonder if the ball polisher has decreased the need for 'helping english'?
Laus an bmo:
You guys can ech have half of all my losing action, coz i like ya.
You guys can ech have half of all my losing action, coz i like ya.
Same here, and although nobody seems to have picked up on your closing question, I would argue that there is a ton to be gained by knowing the limits. I often play position for maximum side shots in order to avoid having to draw the ball. I find max side to be much more predictable than draw on certain shots, especially when I am out of stroke or under competitive pressure.
As with most of these sorts of discussion on AZB, people always point to world class players as examples of how the game should be played. Aside from the fact that those players possess an extremely rare talent for the sport, you have to keep in mind that they progressed to that point over the course of years, and each settled into the style of play that matched their experiences and suited their individual strengths.
Buddy mastered (perhaps moreso than anyone else) the old school road player style of play that was influenced by travelling across the country and playing on whatever substandard equipment he had to play on in order to match up. By taking the minimalist approach of reducing cueball movement and floating for position whenever he could, he mitigated the risks associated with the lopsided cueballs and jinky rails that had undoubtedly taken money out of his pocket on numerous occasions. But Buddy could spin the ball as well as anyone when he needed to, and unless someone has the godlike speed control of a Buddy Hall, they better be prepared to spin the ball a lot if they want to run racks of rotation pool..
Edit: Oh, and I'll take a piece of your action.
Regards,
Aaron
1991 U.S. Open Final.....Buddy Hall and Dennis Hatch
Tables were fast in 1991 also
Listen to Buddys comments about spin at 39:50.
Even center ball and punchy players can play off the edges.
If you are a beginner play on the inside of the cue ball and learn to hit it clean.
Then gradually move out wider to the edges, to extreme edges, the max,to the miscue point, learn to spin.
A straight stroke helps.
The sooner you understand spin the better off you are.
If you can't use the entire cue ball at any given time you have a lot to learn about pool.
Find a billiard table with no pockets and learn the cue ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLJ3u5tWro
Tables were fast in 1991 also
Listen to Buddys comments about spin at 39:50.
Even center ball and punchy players can play off the edges.
If you are a beginner play on the inside of the cue ball and learn to hit it clean.
Then gradually move out wider to the edges, to extreme edges, the max,to the miscue point, learn to spin.
A straight stroke helps.
The sooner you understand spin the better off you are.
If you can't use the entire cue ball at any given time you have a lot to learn about pool.
Find a billiard table with no pockets and learn the cue ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLJ3u5tWro
Good post. If you want to see spin, watch some top notch 3 cushion players but what do they know about tangent lines and deflection. If you can't use spin and the various degrees of it, you will never be your best at the game.
Thanks Philly...3 cushion players know everything and then some about tangent and deflection. Thickness of hit combined with spin to put the cue ball in its track. The track starts at its natural and then is altered as needed.
The game is tracks, all games are in tracks and easy to understand. Cutting across the angle is another lesson in itself.
They have to be extremely precise to score a point, sending a ball 20 ft or more 6 rails to hit another ball is fun, you can't play general or in the area, you have to hit it on the face.
If you should catch the ball on the edge or on the ear, as a 3 cushion player you missed it, you got lucky, it's extreme precision.
Pocket billiards is generally zone play and get in the area hopefully on the right side.
Redirecting the natural tangent is common in billiards, combined with stroke and spin to achieve the angles needed for desired ball track. Not all shots are hit with extreme spin, many shots are high ball, maybe an eylash of right or left.
Many times to beat a kiss a delay strike is common play. It redirects the natural tangent full and spin takes over and drives to the angle needed. This hit could be so slight it goes undetectable to the layman or so powerful the layman can't believe what they just saw.
I play both games fairly decent, it's all about the cue ball in all games…..Spin it
Never mind the spin, what's more important is how much did that bass weigh?
Agreed. I play 3 cushion also but as a supliment to my pool game. 3 cushion obviously helps my kicking game. I see triangles when I play pool not angles. 3 cushion is triangles.
Your pool game cannot be your best if you play to a general area. You have to play to a spot or at least a certain spot on the cushion to achieve shape. If you play to a general area on a cushion, not a particular spot on the cushion in pool you get the unintended scratch which you deserve. Without spin how can you get to a spot?