I have reconfigured sub-rails with Artemis cushions and 860, I can get 9 rails around but only 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 lengths up and down the table.
Gold Crown IV Cushions/Replacements
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I have reconfigured sub-rails with Artemis cushions and 860, I can get 9 rails around but only 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 lengths up and down the table.
Speed decay is a little faster at 180 degree angles, you really have to hit it hard.
I think this helped. Thanks for the advice. I just practiced these type of shots for about 30 minutes, made more doing this.
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I have a similar question. Are there any cushions out there with an exact or at least "close enough as to not trap balls" profile shape match to the *original* Brunswick Super Speed cushions so that they fit a Gold Crown I without subrail revisions?
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I have re-config'd GC II with Artemis K55 and it banks like crap.
The number of rails do not matter as much as accuracy imo.
How would one-hole players like banking frozen ball less than a diamond from the opposite pocket?
https://www.pooltablefeltcloth.com/brunswick-rail-cushions/product/superspeed-k55-rail.html
Why bother when Superspeed is $150 ?
I should have stuck with that than letting a flipflopping mech tell me I should get Artemis.
I know a friend of mine had the black cushions by J&J dropped in on his GC3 and it played fine.
Not a chance, and if anyone says otherwise, they're full of shit.
I also had Jerimy Chambers install Artemis intercontinental cushions ( He said it should be my preference. There is a slight more spring to the artemis then the super speeds...that's all) and perform the sub - rail modifications necessary in order to have my GC IV converted to pro - cut pocket dimensions. I couldn't be happier with the table.
I have re-config'd GC II with Artemis K55 and it banks like crap.
The number of rails do not matter as much as accuracy imo.
How would one-hole players like banking frozen ball less than a diamond from the opposite pocket?
Stop whining and send your rails to Mark.
Okay, thanks. So if someone with a Gold Crown 1 wanted to change his cushion rubber without any subrail revisions, from best to worst for playability and not trapping or launching balls, how would you rank the following?
A) Artemis hump side up
B) Artemis hump side down
C) Brunswick Super Speed
D) Diamond Blacks
E) Klematch
Thank you.
A) Artemis hump side up
B) Artemis hump side down
C) Brunswick Super Speed
D) Diamond Blacks
E) Klematch
Thank you.
You're in a tough bind. GC 1 just like my GC 2 had Monarch cushions.
Not the same as K55.
It's best to get it re-profiled. That'll get you tighter pockets too.
Good luck.
The strange thing is that I bought this table with the cushions recently replaced, but the rubber wasn't the highest quality. However, when I measure from bed to nose, the measurement appears to be 1 7/16" which I've read is correct. Yes?
Also, do you think that most pool halls with old Gold Crowns have had the rails re-profiled?
Here is the rubber on the rails before it was recovered. Anyone recognize the product?
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Were the rails ran through a table saw to change the bevel? If so, isn't that changing the factory specs? From the nose of the cushions to the edge of the formica....what does that measure?
The seller said he only extended the rails. He didn't do any changes in bevel. Does it look like the bevel was changed? If so, it would have been done by the previous owner. Anyway, the distance from nose to edge of formica is 2 1/8".
Here's a photo of a ball beside a rail:
2 1/8" wide means the playing surface is going to be 49 3/4" x 99 3/4".....instead of 50"×100". Some of the cushion is hanging over the bottom back angle bevel which means the part of the cushion over hanging is not bonded to the sub rail which in most cases results in the bottom side of the cushions coming unglued down the road. I doubt any miter angles were changed to if you use a miter gage you may find that the miter angles or not the same on both sides of the corner pockets. In the side pockets the factory ear that fits under the castings are normally not the same if you measure both sides. You measure them from the furthest out point of the extension to the formica at the end of the rail at the side pocket.if they're not the same length the center pocket won't look centered when the rails are mounted.
Glen, that's exactly right about my playing surface. I measured it earlier today, and the dimensions are what you list above. In the 2nd photo above, does it appear that the rubber is hanging over the bottom back angle bevel? It looks like the rubber has a more severe downward curve on the top from what I've seen of other rubber on the web supplier's sites where they show profiles. That's why I thought maybe this particular rubber has a profile that works with original rail specs? Or do you see an overhang of the bottom bevel?
I will say that the rubber doesn't respond great, and I wonder if it has anything to do with storage for 3 years after the work was done on the rails. The facings are also hard as a rock, and hitting a point of a pocket gives a definite thump sound and doesn't respond like the points at my local pool hall.
Well, all I can say is it looks like thing was done to the rails except extending them to tighten the pockets, and replacing the cushions with modern era K55 profile cushions. I don't know the hardness of the facings, but the work done to replace them looks pretty good if you ask me, way better than most I've seen. So, it's clear that the sub rails haven't been modified at all because if the bevel had been changed at all you wouldn't have a 2 1/8th" width from the nose to the formica, which means the nose height is going to sit a little higher than the 1 27/64ths which is the desired nose height for correct playability, and the nose height on those cushions are more than likely higher than that, which will result in slower cushion play, which don't mean the cushions are bad, just to high. Which is why I've said in the past there is no direct replacement cushions today for any older Brunswick pool tables that came out with the Monarch cushions to begin with, but most mechanics don't know what a few of us do know, the sub rails need to be modified to fit today's cushions.