Foul / No Foul?

HawaiianEye said:
The ref rules "no foul".

Are you saying Shane fouled?

Looks like a good shot to me.
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Looked like a push and it sounded like the ferrule hit the cueball also. I don't see how the cueball can go forward like that without a foul.

Dr Dave is an expert at the reaction of close ball hits, let's see what he thinks if he sees the thread.

Just being vertical does not mean you can't push the cueball, especially with that sound the hit made.
 
What's the problem here?
Both the Perez and the Boening shots were perfectly fine.
 
Looked like a good hit to me, but the ref had a better angle. He thought it was a good hit as well apparently. It seems like a scenario on the PGA tour when folks call in from their couch watching slow motion in HD to indicate a rules infraction.
 
Nine Miler said:
Looked like a good hit to me, but the ref had a better angle. He thought it was a good hit as well apparently. It seems like a scenario on the PGA tour when folks call in from their couch watching slow motion in HD to indicate a rules infraction.
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Did not watch in slow mo, but I don't see how a cueball hit with draw while jacked up can go forward that far and be a good hit. Plus it sounded like the ferrule hit the cueball.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Looked like a push and it sounded like the ferrule hit the cueball also. I don't see how the cueball can go forward like that without a foul.

Dr Dave is an expert at the reaction of close ball hits, let's see what he thinks if he sees the thread.

Just being vertical does not mean you can't push the cueball, especially with that sound the hit made.
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Who you gonna trust, SVB and the ref, or Dr Dave?

I notice that his opponent didn't say anything.
 
hang-the-9 said:
... I don't see how a cueball hit with draw while jacked up can go forward that far and be a good hit. ....
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I don't see how, either.

On the other hand, by Derby City rules as long as you're jacked up you can hit the cue ball two times and it's not a foul.
 
Looked like a good hit. The cue ball glazed the 14 ball after contacted with the ob make it look like it go forward. If the 14 is not there, the cue ball would have a different path.
 
I'm not so sure the tip/ferrule didn't hit the 14 and caused it to roll... That could be the sound of the ferrule hitting a ball....
 
minh2015 said:
Looked like a good hit. The cue ball glazed the 14 ball after contacted with the ob make it look like it go forward. If the 14 is not there, the cue ball would have a different path.
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Do you think you could get the same action on the cue ball if the cue ball had been back two inches? That's often the question you have to ask in shots like this. Also, I would have expected the 14 to move a lot more if the cue ball came off the 10 along the kiss line and then was driven forward by the contact with the 14. The cue ball had a lot of speed.

The balls looked to be less than a quarter inch apart. It's very hard to get out of the second (or continuous) hit.
 
This is for sure a foul. You can't get that forward progress with backspin without the double hit with this layout (with a possible exception being if the cue ball were jumped and went very airborne which didn't happen here). The referee in this case also knows this as I have personally heard him explain his understanding of these types of hits. Not sure why he didn't make the right call.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Did not watch in slow mo, but I don't see how a cueball hit with draw while jacked up can go forward that far and be a good hit. Plus it sounded like the ferrule hit the cueball.
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That is a good point, that cue ball, if spinning back when it hit the object ball seems like it couldn't go that far forward. Otherwise, I don't know the physics and math enough to make a call. Plus, the view isn't the best in the video with the other obstructing ball.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Looked like a push and it sounded like the ferrule hit the cueball also. I don't see how the cueball can go forward like that without a foul.

Dr Dave is an expert at the reaction of close ball hits, let's see what he thinks if he sees the thread.

Just being vertical does not mean you can't push the cueball, especially with that sound the hit made.
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Pique'/piquet shot. Perfectly okay that it went forward. Whether he double hit the adjacent ball (not the 10-ball) would be my question. Bill says no, then no issue with me.

Freddie <~~~ plenty of other experts on here
 
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He's not shooting straight into the object ball. He shot at about 45 degrees angle. This is the same as the legal masse shot in caroms. It would be a foul if the 14 didn't move.
It is still possible to repeat this shot even if the cue ball is 2 inches away. However the cloth and balls must be very slick to avoid immediate english action.
 
Cornerman said:
Freddie <~~~ plenty of other experts on here
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Yeah, and I ain't one of 'em. :wink:

Referee said nothing. Opponent said nothing. SVB came away from the shot as if he had made a good hit.

Too hard to call? Let the shot go to the shooter. Hopefully we'll never see instant replay booth calls in pool tournaments. :eek:

Maniac
 
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