Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls

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Yes, I talked to that same rep that Lou did at that tournament. The rep realized the balls needed replacing that night and as Lou said he got them OVERNIGHT from China for the next day of the tournament.

How did he accomplish this: He was close friends with a high government official in China who arranged for a Chinese air force pilot to receive the cueballs and take them by jet to Hawaii where there was a special clearance for the jet to land. He then arranged for the Chinese air force pilot to drop them off to a U.S. air force pilot in Hawaii who flew them by jet to the tournament. The air force pilot was met by a helicopter pilot who flew him to the venue where he handed the cueballs off to the rep for start of play the next day.

You should learn to believe Lou when he says he got something from some unnamed horse's mouth. Lou never lies or makes things up.
So, he was at the Rio hotel that day too?
And that plane was sure pretty fast.
How long is the China to Vegas trip? Is there even a direct flight ?

14 hours?
And if they realized that one manufacturer was making them bad, how come they still used them in Vegas that day? Why didn't they chuck them?
Don't tell me they found out that day they were bad and they got new ones made and overnighted them to Las Vegas.

But, Jay needs signed affidavits and video confessions.
We'll just take Lou's word for it.
 
So, he was at the Rio hotel that day too?
And that plane was sure pretty fast.
How long is the China to Vegas trip? Is there even a direct flight ?

14 hours?
And if they realized that one manufacturer was making them bad, how come they still used them in Vegas that day? Why didn't they chuck them?
Don't tell me they found out that day they were bad and they got new ones made and overnighted them to Las Vegas.

But, Jay needs signed affidavits and video confessions.
We'll just take Lou's word for it.


If Paul Smith's word isn't good enough for you, as cited in post #158, I can't help you.

Lou Figueroa
 
Well, we all agree the original Cyclop cue ball rolled off due to some imperfection in manufacture. Everyone can move along now. :rolleyes:
 
One batch, which was fixed.

Lou Figueroa
now you can move

ha ha ha ha. I don't know why Lou, but you just make me laugh :smile:
By the way, how many's in a batch? And how many batches in a bowl? And how many bowls in a bucket?
 
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ha ha ha ha. I don't know why Lou, but you just make me laugh :smile:
By the way, how many's in a batch? And how many batches in a bowl?

He's the right guy to ask considering he was the in the factory at the time of the mistake. Maybe he did it. Sounds about right.
 
ha ha ha ha. I don't know why Lou, but you just make me laugh :smile:
By the way, how many's in a batch? And how many batches in a bowl? And how many bowls in a bucket?


Fewer than the number of hairs on your head?

Lou Figueroa
just guessin'
 
I find it odd that people care so much about what may, or may not have been a cue ball, table, cloth or other problem in 2014.
 
I find it odd that people care so much about what may, or may not have been a cue ball, table, cloth or other problem in 2014.

This is AZBilliards Mr....... Some of these guys will argue what shoes and socks are best for your game. :thumbup:
 
I'd love to hear everyone's explaination as to how a cue ball can roll left AND right in the last 2-3 inches while it's trying to fall into the grain od cloth....NEW cloth is the worst for grain tracking....LOL

Agreed.

However... I must also say (again, as I have remarked in the past) that the Cyclop balls seem to be constructed fine and have a peerless finish on them.... exceptional workmanship. I salute the manufacturer for their expertise. That said, the material they use for their balls is a fail. It is sticky, tacky and unfit for use on any pocket billiard table. As soon as one of their balls makes contact with the playing surface, a rail or another ball, the game is not the same. It is Cyclop pocket billiards.... not traditional pocket billiards. The balls react differently, plain and simple. Nothing to be done about it, aside form just acclimating to it, and that is what happens when someone is introduced to these balls. They have to acclimate to playing in a radically different environment.

A good example of what the playability is like would go something like this... Imagine you are in Florida during a heat wave in late July and its been raining on and off all week. Everything is saturated, save the interior of the pool room you find yourself in. A Gold Crown I stands before you just inside the double doors of this fine establishment and you begin your match in this superbly air conditioned edifice and start running balls out left and right.... Your opponent decides they want to take a break and so you do too. The owner of the establishment decides to perform a bit of table maintenance during the break, using a squirt bottle containing a mysterious liquid to wipe down just the rails and swings the double doors wide open because it was just too cool and comfortable in there... beside, who doesn't like the sound of a torrential downpour while you are trying to shoot? And all that super saturating humidity washing over the table feels so sweet and satisfying. Welcome to Cyclop ball pocket billiards.... right there. Perfection. (btw, it may happen that the room owner is your opponents backer... just a rumor)

Keep your gum balls... I prefer the pocket billiards we have been playing for the past 40 years.

Lesh
 
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Agreed.

However... I must also say (again, as I have remarked in the past) that the Cyclop balls seem to be constructed fine and have a peerless finish on them.... exceptional workmanship. I salute the manufacturer for their expertise. That said, the material they use for their balls is a fail. It is sticky, tacky and unfit for use on any pocket billiard table. As soon as one of their balls makes contact with the playing surface, a rail or another ball, the game is not the same. It is Cyclop pocket billiards.... not traditional pocket billiards. The balls react differently, plain and simple. Nothing to be done about it, aside form just acclimating to it, and that is what happens when someone is introduced to these balls. They have to acclimate to playing in a radically different environment.

A good example of what the playability is like would go something like this... Imagine you are in Florida during a heat wave in late July and its been raining on and off all week. Everything is saturated, save the interior of the pool room you find yourself in. A Gold Crown I stands before you just inside the double doors of this fine establishment and you begin your match in this superbly air conditioned edifice and start running balls out left and right.... Your opponent decides they want to take a break and so you do too. The owner of the establishment decides to perform a bit of table maintenance during the break, using a squirt bottle containing a mysterious liquid to wipe down just the rails and swings the double doors wide open because it was just too cool and comfortable in there... beside, who doesn't like the sound of a torrential downpour while you are trying to shoot? And all that super saturating humidity washing over the table feels so sweet and satisfying. Welcome to Cyclop ball pocket billiards.... right there. Perfection. (btw, it may happen that the room owner is your opponents backer... just a rumor)

Keep your gum balls... I prefer the pocket billiards we have been playing for the past 40 years.

Lesh


Yes. No question about it.

The other thing that ticks me off is that the promoters, and announcers,
were all very much aware of the Cyclop problems.

In the first video, and some of the others, the announcer even talks about it
AND wasn't surprised in the least when the balls started rolling off.
He actually clearly wanted to quickly stop the conversation once it started.

BUT they definitely wanted those 350 free sets to sell, plus whatever direct
deposits Cyclop made...

Knowing all the problems, they all knew, just use Aramith Pro and have a
good and high quality US 8-ball, 10-ball and 9-ball done the traditional way
where no such problems even enter the picture.

Money money money....
 
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Glad to see this thread has reached a meeting of the minds in so far as that defective cue balls were sold by Cyclop.

No doubt special efforts were made by Mr. Helfert and Mr. Figueroa...

It's never too late to do the right thing. How much financial liability could be involved at this time?

Simply make an announcement that cue balls manufactured between this and that date will be received and replaced at no charge with the new ball.

It would be a good thing for Cyclop and all other parties.

Good luck and shoot straight.
 
Glad to see this thread has reached a meeting of the minds in so far as that defective cue balls were sold by Cyclop.

No doubt special efforts were made by Mr. Helfert and Mr. Figueroa...

It's never too late to do the right thing. How much financial liability could be involved at this time?

Simply make an announcement that cue balls manufactured between this and that date will be received and replaced at no charge with the new ball.

It would be a good thing for Cyclop and all other parties.

Good luck and shoot straight.

Hey man, it was only one batch! And it wasn't even a large batch. It wasn't really that small a batch, but more like a medium sized batch as batches go. Anyway, the batch issue got patched up right away and a new batch was sent to replace the bad batch. It's very simple, not all batches are created equal. There's good batches, bad batches and some batches are just okay. When a new batch comes along you can never be sure what you're going to get. That's how it is with batches. I hope you understand now. :dance:
 
Hey man, it was only one batch! And it wasn't even a large batch. It wasn't really that small a batch, but more like a medium sized batch as batches go. Anyway, the batch issue got patched up right away and a new batch was sent to replace the bad batch. It's very simple, not all batches are created equal. There's good batches, bad batches and some batches are just okay. When a new batch comes along you can never be sure what you're going to get. That's how it is with batches. I hope you understand now. :dance:

How many different batches in this picture? :thumbup:
 

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Yes. No question about it.

The other thing that ticks me off is that the promoters, and announcers,
were all very much aware of the Cyclop problems.

In the first video, and some of the others, the announcer even talks about it
AND wasn't surprised in the least when the balls started rolling off.
He actually clearly wanted to quickly stop the conversation once it started.

BUT they definitely wanted those 350 free sets to sell, plus whatever direct
deposits Cyclop made...

Knowing all the problems, they all knew, just use Aramith Pro and have a
good and high quality US 8-ball, 10-ball and 9-ball done the traditional way
where no such problems even enter the picture.

Money money money....


They became aware of a problem mid-event and fixed it the next day. That's per PS of Diamond, who was there.

Anyone has a problem ball, send it to MG of CSI for replacement.

What more do you want?

Lou Figueroa
 
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