Siming Chen

[Tony_in_MD]

In the mid 90's she and Grady Mathews toured the country doing a Male/Female compition. They may have played in 10-15 rooms across the country. I saw them @ USA billiards in Laurel MD. Below is a link to the events.

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/mainevent/grudgematch/

Now I guess the next logical question was how good was Grady @ 9 ball in the mid 90's Was he considered a top-shelf pro?

What do you think of Allison Fisher when she was in her prime? Could she have beat some of the top Men pros, at that time (mid 90's?)? I do not know, but I remember she was super strong. I seen a Snooker match of her playing in a team event (on youtube), when she was really young (probably before she came to the US), and I was really impressed.

 

[jasonlaus]

Once again.

Dogging balls is not the same as making bad decisions.

Let me know if I need to explain it a third time.

And once again, you show me a pro who hasnt made a bad decision. You watch one match and think that is her entire career??? Jump in the ring with her big boy.

 

[BeiberLvr]

And once again, you show me a pro who hasnt made a bad decision. You watch one match and think that is her entire career??? Jump in the ring with her big boy.

Everyone has made bad decisions. In pool and life in general.


But men (again, on average) will make better decisions at the pool table*




*Assuming similar Fargo Ratings. I feel I need to clarify that here with you. Obviously someone like Siming will make better decisions at the table than someone like me.

 

[mikepage]

So, if Skyler could put on some makup and a dress, and sneak on as a female, and only be playing the females, [...]

Here is what we would predict.

Sky would basically destroy the field, because he plays at a whole different level.

If he played, say, 17 matches in the last 4 years against Allison Fisher (2), Emily Duddy (1), Ewa Lawrence (1), Jasmin Ouschan (2), Jeanette Lee (1), Jennifer Baretta (1), Karen Corr (2), Kelly Fisher (5), Melissa Little (1), and Monica Webb (1), he would win maybe all but one match. And more often than not he would win the match by 4 or more games.

He might have a total record of, say, 141 wins and 80 losses.

 

[Rhea]

Here is what we would predict.

Sky would basically destroy the field, because he plays at a whole different level.

If he played, say, 17 matches in the last 4 years against Allison Fisher (2), Emily Duddy (1), Ewa Lawrence (1), Jasmin Ouschan (2), Jeanette Lee (1), Jennifer Baretta (1), Karen Corr (2), Kelly Fisher (5), Melissa Little (1), and Monica Webb (1), he would win maybe all but one match. And more often than not he would win the match by 4 or more games.

He might have a total record of, say, 141 wins and 80 losses.

But you left off that Siming Chen would have similar results against same exact field.

 

[one stroke]

But you left off that Siming Chen would have similar results against same exact field.

No she wouldn't, Sky is simply a better player equal Fargo rates are fake news they simply don't play even ,,


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[Chi2dxa]

Siming Chen has shot up to #41 in the world among men and women. She is the #1 female in the world and there are only 40 humans above her skill level, and she is still young and improving.

I just watched her play on youtube in the Amway Cup and she can play with any man. I certain that the table does not care if it is a man or woman.

 

[iusedtoberich]

And once again, you show me a pro who hasnt made a bad decision. You watch one match and think that is her entire career??? Jump in the ring with her big boy.

He watched one rack when making that post

In fairness I watched half the match then passed out! ha ha

 

[mikepage]

No she wouldn't, Sky is simply a better player equal Fargo rates are fake news they simply don't play even ,,


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While the second part may be an open question, the first part, your "no she wouldn't," is wrong; that IS Siming's record I was describing.

 

[one stroke]

While the second part may be an open question, the first part, your "no she wouldn't," is wrong; that IS Siming's record I was describing.

Regardless the point is she won't have similar success against the same field ,


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[overlord]

In the mid 90's she and Grady Mathews toured the country doing a Male/Female compition. They may have played in 10-15 rooms across the country. I saw them @ USA billiards in Laurel MD. Below is a link to the events.

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/mainevent/grudgematch/

Now I guess the next logical question was how good was Grady @ 9 ball in the mid 90's Was he considered a top-shelf pro?

Grady was a One Pocket specialist. His Nine Ball skills were never on the level of the top players. Johnny Archer and Alison Fisher were inducted into the Hall of Fame in the same year.

Archer was the " Player of the Decade ". There is no way that Alison would have any chance against him in a long money match.

Frankly, Grady being a sharp gambler would never play Archer Nine Ball without getting weight in my opinion.

Alison left the the snooker world in the UK in which she was a champion because the women snooker players did not win much money; because all the big prize money was reserved for the men.

The fact is the top women could not compete with the men in snooker, just like in the pool world.

The last year that Derby City was held in that hotel in Louisville, Alison Fisher was at the tournament. I was there and I believe SVB won the Nine Ball. Does anybody know where Alison finished in the tournament?

The Black Widow was playing too.

 

[iusedtoberich]

In the mid 90's she and Grady Mathews toured the country doing a Male/Female compition. They may have played in 10-15 rooms across the country. I saw them @ USA billiards in Laurel MD. Below is a link to the events.

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/mainevent/grudgematch/

Now I guess the next logical question was how good was Grady @ 9 ball in the mid 90's Was he considered a top-shelf pro?

Wow, that is some good history, thanks for linking it. I added up all of their games. They played a total of 54 sets and 604 games. Grady won 306 games, Allison won 298 games. Seems like a very equal match to me.

IMO, Grady at his prime in the 70's might have been what Oscar's speed is today (Fargorate 770), and something like Mike Davis speed (Fargorate 733) in the late 90's, well past his prime.

 

[ribdoner]

But she obtained that 782 rating by playing Women, not Men. Skyler (and all of the other Male pros) obtained his rating by playing Men. I just do not see how you can compare the 2. I am so tired of hearing about the Fargo rating system. Comparing the rating of the guys to the girls is just silly I think. Mike Page explained all of this to me, about why I am wrong, but I still do not get it. If she really plays even with Skyler (according to Fargo), then she should not be on the Women's pro tour. She should be playing with the Men.

She cannot be discriminated against because she is a better player

different matter if a top tier "women" pro is a tranny

 

[garczar]

Does Chen have a stakehorse? Cause if she does she can get ALL the action she wants in many locales in the U.S. My prediction: her 'horse will go flat BUSTED. I don't give a rats ass about Fargo shmargo ratings. Let her tee it up for a couple days against Sky, Justin B., Chip Compton just to name three. Can she play? Hell yes but don't start comparing her to top male pros.

 

[AtLarge]

... The last year that Derby City was held in that hotel in Louisville, Alison Fisher was at the tournament. I was there and I believe SVB won the Nine Ball. Does anybody know where Alison finished in the tournament?

The Black Widow was playing too.

That was 2008. Ralf Souquet won the 9-Ball. SVB finished 7th/9th.

Allison Fisher and Karen Corr both finished 19th/29th.

 

[overlord]

That was 2008. Ralf Souquet won the 9-Ball. SVB finished 7th/9th.

Allison Fisher and Karen Corr both finished 19th/29th.

Thx for the info. Its been a while I dogged my own recollections and was looking at the Wikipage for Derby City.

 

[PoolBum]

In the mid 90's she and Grady Mathews toured the country doing a Male/Female compition. They may have played in 10-15 rooms across the country. I saw them @ USA billiards in Laurel MD. Below is a link to the events.

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/mainevent/grudgematch/

Now I guess the next logical question was how good was Grady @ 9 ball in the mid 90's Was he considered a top-shelf pro?

Overall Match Score:

Grady 11 Allison 10

Overall Set Score:

Grady 29 Allison 25

 

[overlord]

Overall Match Score:

Grady 11 Allison 10

Overall Set Score:

Grady 29 Allison 25

The fact is, if Allison and Grady played One Pocket which was Grady's real game, Allison would never win a game.

I know I've opened another can of worms with my knuckle dragging point of view.

That's kind of the way it goes you, take the top female player, the dominant one, for like a decade and a half and you make her play an opponent that really is not a Nine Ball player and this is supposed to prove: what?

 

[mikepage]

The fact is, if Allison and Grady played One Pocket which was Grady's real game, Allison would never win a game.

I know I've opened another can of worms with my knuckle dragging point of view.

That's kind of the way it goes you, take the top female player, the dominant one, for like a decade and a half and you make her play an opponent that really is not a Nine Ball player and this is supposed to prove: what?

once again, ...again...

 

[mikepage]

on her best day I don't think she beats a prime Karen Corr or Allison Fischer or Monica Fischer

she can barely get by right now a teenage Chezka who will have no peers at all in a couple of years if she continues her ascent

she would not crack the world's top 10 000 men at this moment

if she could actually crack the top 100 which fargo rtings suggest , that would place her higher than almost any women in any sport ever that could compete with male top 100

It is interesting all this talk about a "prime" Karen Corr...

Where does the idea come from that Karen today is performing worse than
Karen of a dozen years ago?