Cyclop vs Aramith

[fastone371]

Interesting...i have super pro aramiths and cyclop. The cyclop set stays clean way longer than the super pros do.

I have only played the tournament set a couple times. In your experience,Are they very different to play with vs the super pros?

I dont have Super Pros to compare to but I dont notice the Aramith Tournaments playing different than any of my sets. The Cyclops stays real shiny almost as long as the Aramith Tournaments. I want to get a Super Pro set cause I like the way they look. It sounds like the super Pros are comparable to the Centennials, I think they are all made by Saluc??? Maybe they are the same ball with different graphics??

 

[Straightpool_99]

The Cyclop balls I've played with (4 different sets) have been all right. Two of those sets were the new Zeus ones.

The cueball plays kind of heavy and seems to roll farther than an Aramith ball. It seems for lack of a better word less "bouncy" than a Measle ball, but has a more slippery finish, so you get about the same amount of draw on a straight back draw shot. The reaction of the cueball seems more delayed (probably because of the finish). The first 5 minutes I usually overrun all my long position shots with these balls, especially if I had just played with Aramith before.

I don't like the sound the balls make. I don't like the colours of the of them either. But if I had to play with these balls in tournaments, I'd adjust to them. All tournaments here are played with Aramiths, so that is what I prefer to practise with as well. The skidding thing...I haven't really noticed, but I do think the balls react differently than Aramiths, especially at low speeds. I play on very fast cloth and cushions so these things are really noticable but hard to put into words. On a Chinese 8 ball table it's far more difficult to sense the difference but the sensation is that the balls are "heavy" here as well. Since I was practising for Chinese events, I used these balls in my C8B drills. Now that participation there is unlikely to happen, I use Aramith on the C8B table as well. One less thing to which I have to adjust.

 

[fastone371]

Finally - someone willing to put up or shut up about Cyclop vs Aramith ..... for fun of course.



I own every set that Cyclop and Aramith have made - including every cue ball. So --- I'll take you up on this wager, Nick, any price, any time. You be the judge. Balls in hand. Behind your back. Minimum $1000 says you cannot tell the difference by feel - and I get to choose the representative ball sets from each manufacturer.

Tell you what - you can pick the ball sets from my collection and we'll get a few witnesses for the jury. You only have to "guess" the best 4 of 5 tries or 7 of 10 if you want to show off.

Let's see if you can do it.

I'll even fly you one-way into Dallas/Fort Worth. Your return trip can be paid for with your winnings. Transportation, hotel and dinner on me if you lose.



~K




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I like your offer Mr. Kraze. If your offer is accepted could I send you a couple hondos for some friendly wagering? I will take your side of the bet. But I will check that with my Cyclops set tonight and see if they pass the "blindfold" test.

 

[Nick B]

I like your offer Mr. Kraze. If your offer is accepted could I send you a couple hondos for some friendly wagering? I will take your side of the bet. But I will check that with my Cyclops set tonight and see if they pass the "blindfold" test.

Again as I mentioned before I'm not putting this out as some sort of challenge or parole trick. I could just as easily say come to Vancouver and I'l double the bet or something silly like that. A little bit of background on what I did with the Euro pros I mentioned before at the recent US Open 10 Ball...

I did it 8 times in a row correctly.
First 4 times behind my back mixing the balls and then identifying which ball was in each hand.
Then they thought I was fake mixing or keeping track so one of them mixed the balls and placed them in my hands (behind my back) and I did it correctly 3 times.
Then on the eighth time he thought he would get cute and handed me two numbered balls (by swapping out the cue ball). I struggled to tell the difference and and then the light bulb went off in my head when I saw the silly grins on their faces and declared two numbered balls. This was a guess because I need to compare the textures (or feel the eye) to discern between ball types.


I wonder if the Monkey could tell the difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLC0AOMGNww

 

[Justin Bergman]

They are junk. I love pool so I'll play with whatever. Nobody in pro tournaments wants to use them. I'm sure there are a few players out there that will say they don't mind them but I would bet $1,000 if you ask 100 players at the U.S. Open if they would rather use a red circle or measle cue ball with aramith vs cyclops 90 percent or more would say aramith.

 

[Black-Balled]

They are junk. I love pool so I'll play with whatever. Nobody in pro tournaments wants to use them. I'm sure there are a few players out there that will say they don't mind them but I would bet $1,000 if you ask 100 players at the U.S. Open if they would rather use a red circle or measle cue ball with aramith vs cyclops 90 percent or more would say aramith.

And when the measle ball was new, the same could have been said about it.

And when diamond tables first hit, same could have been said about them.

And when ass weights...too early for that?

 

[Bobkitty]

The only Aramith balls to buy are their premium "Tournament". Otherwise buy the Diamond "Cyclops".
After RKC recovered my table, he told me that the Aramith super pros are one of the worst out there. I knew that I felt powder or grit on them after 3-4 hours of play, but just assumed that was chalk. He told me that is the finish grinding off as they are poor construction. I traded those off and bought the Cyclops balls and they are great. No grinding or powder on those! They are constructed just as the Brunswick "Centennials" were years ago before they went to crap too.

 

[9Ballr]

The only Aramith balls to buy are their premium "Tournament". Otherwise buy the Diamond "Cyclops".
After RKC recovered my table, he told me that the Aramith super pros are one of the worst out there. I knew that I felt powder or grit on them after 3-4 hours of play, but just assumed that was chalk. He told me that is the finish grinding off as they are poor construction. I traded those off and bought the Cyclops balls and they are great. No grinding or powder on those! They are constructed just as the Brunswick "Centennials" were years ago before they went to crap too.

Hehehehe...."grinding or powder..." LOL

Very funny.

Was he a Cyclop rep?

 

[Stew_Pidaso]

This is one of the major things I hate about Cyclop.

Before every shot I go very close to the cue ball with the tip of the cue.
On the Cyclop I've often accidentally touched the cue ball causing a ball in hand for the opponent.
So I've begun to consciously not go as close as I would like.
This causes inaccuracies in my playing, in particular with the Cyclop balls.
If they just fixed this and made the dang ball a solid color all the way to the edge I'd like the set more.
I really don't understand the point in doing this other than to make another fashion statement. All the other balls are solid all the way to the edge.
Cant' see what possible benefits there are.
Most of us want things to work, be solid, no fake, no bs, no need to show us what can be done especially when something else works much better when it comes to competitive pool.

Also, in my opinion the new Cyclop sets are no better than the old ones and the cue ball still at times depending on speed and angle can have a roll off before it comes to a stop.

The reason for the color is for the optical density sensors in the Diamond Smart Tables. That way the table can distinguish between the cue ball and object balls. Unlike a Valley where they need either a magnetic pull or slightly bigger ball to distinguish the two different balls.

 

[K2Kraze]

Now all of you guys know why I just happen to have nearly every ball set made in the last 50 years - so when you come by for a few games or a match, I've got your favorite set on hand, and ready to to play with - none of this "Say what! You've got ____ balls? Those are junk! I'm not playing you now."

Rack em!



~ K.

 

[Straightpool_99]

50%...really?

You wouldnt bet on that # though, would you?

That's insanely high, not likely to be accurate. I play a lot of 14.1 where balls are rolled quite a bit more than in other games, and I'd estimate I get one skid pr. every 200 balls or so. Playing on quite dirty cloth, with balls that start out polished. I think that is in the ballpark at least. Of course those are not all rolls/center soft shots, but still. Even if the percentage was 10% for the most risk prone shots, it would be completely unacceptable and actually unplayable!

 

[Black-Balled]

That's insanely high, not likely to be accurate. I play a lot of 14.1 where balls are rolled quite a bit more than in other games, and I'd estimate I get one skid pr. every 200 balls or so. Playing on quite dirty cloth, with balls that start out polished. I think that is in the ballpark at least. Of course those are not all rolls/center soft shots, but still. Even if the percentage was 10% for the most risk prone shots, it would be completely unacceptable and actually unplayable!

Yeah...it was definitely overstatement. People think doing it strenghens their argments, but it actually does the opposite.

 

[Agent 99]

Why will no one admit to being an owner, part owner or a representative of Cyclop?

Would you buy a car with a question mark as a logo?

How come after selling defective balls Cyclop made no recall, no announcement, absolutely nothing at all.

Do you really want to support a business like this?

Cyclop, who or what ever they are, are certainly a very shady crooked armature hour out fit.

Pure scum. Forget about their balls. Look at the company, oh that's right you can't - because they are all in hiding .. LOL

 

[Bobkitty]

Why will no one admit to being an owner, part owner or a representative of Cyclop?

Would you buy a car with a question mark as a logo?

How come after selling defective balls Cyclop made no recall, no announcement, absolutely nothing at all.

Do you really want to support a business like this?

Cyclop, who or what ever they are, are certainly a very shady crooked armature hour out fit.

Pure scum. Forget about their balls. Look at the company, oh that's right you can't - because they are all in hiding .. LOL

Guess it must be up to you or the balls one gets. My Cyclops are really very good and polish up nicer and don't have the finish powder than the Aramith premium balls.

 

[jmurphy]

50%...really?

You wouldnt bet on that # though, would you?

Of course 50% is a bit is too high, I was making a point...............
I have had all different balls skid on me in the past but NONE of them have ever came close to the frequency of the skids I have experienced using Cyclops balls.

 

[Black-Balled]

Of course 50% is a bit is too high, I was making a point...............
I have had all different balls skid on me in the past but NONE of them have ever came close to the frequency of the skids I have experienced using Cyclops balls.

Sure...it was definitely overstatement. People think doing it strenghens their argments, but it actually does the opposite.

I have not had the same experience. in fact, my c-plops balls retain the smooth/ polished/ slick characteristics notably longer than my super-pros.

Both sets purchased new and from reputable sources and have about the same hours of play and polish history.

 

[Black-Balled]

That is a bizarre rant.

Why will no one admit to being an owner, part owner or a representative of Cyclop?

Would you buy a car with a question mark as a logo?

How come after selling defective balls Cyclop made no recall, no announcement, absolutely nothing at all.

Do you really want to support a business like this?

Cyclop, who or what ever they are, are certainly a very shady crooked armature hour out fit.

Pure scum. Forget about their balls. Look at the company, oh that's right you can't - because they are all in hiding .. LOL

 

[9Ballr]

And when the measle ball was new, the same could have been said about it.

And when diamond tables first hit, same could have been said about them.

Actually no on the measles ball.

On the Diamond tables a lot of the criticism was well justified.
Some wasn't.
All of the criticism on the Cyclop balls is justified.

 

[9Ballr]

The reason for the color is for the optical density sensors in the Diamond Smart Tables. That way the table can distinguish between the cue ball and object balls. Unlike a Valley where they need either a magnetic pull or slightly bigger ball to distinguish the two different balls.

Thanks for the explanation.
Whatever the reason, it's still very awkward from the player's side.

I still don't know what's wrong with Aramith Super Pros.

Until then I keep using them.

 

[Black-Balled]

Actually no on the measles ball.

On the Diamond tables a lot of the criticism was well justified.
Some wasn't.
All of the criticism on the Cyclop balls is justified.

You are saying the measle ball was fully accepted upon introduction?

If so, i cant imagine further disussion aboit that is likely to be rational.
And you forgot your 'IMO' for the othrr items.