Spots on Arimath Tournament Balls

Just checking in apologies if I missed it... did the OP try shooting for 20 min without pocketing the balls, thus far?
 
The reason we aren't attuned to the spots in the bars and halls could just because we don't

really pay that much attention unless it is ours. You can drive by something 1000's of times

and not see anything different, but if it were your business or home you would know all that

was wrong with it. Another reason may be, eventually it will be covered in one giant spot.

I know many local places that do a poor job at keeping balls/tables clean. I am under the same

conclusion as most that they are caused by collision with each other. I did go look at my centinels,

cyclop, and super pros, all had them, not as pronounced as OP's but they were there. I buffed them out

and shot into the side pocket, superman style, of my GC1, and didn't get one to appear, elusive little dots.

I did get the usual black scuff mark from the back of the pocket, which will never appear to be the 'ghost dots'.

Update:! Shooting it straight in will not produce a 'ghost dot' but with a cut angle it will. So I can assume friction

is higher with the cut. Please take this to the table and verify it.
 
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The reason we aren't attuned to the spots in the bars and halls could just because we don't

really pay that much attention unless it is ours. You can drive by something 1000's of times

and not see anything different, but if it were your business or home you would know all that

was wrong with it. Another reason may be, eventually it will be covered in one giant spot

I can't agree with that at all. I don't think it possible to look at ball and miss those marks, or that the makes could be so prevalent as to appear nonexistent.

And I know people be thinking of my balls and what happens when I whack them tigether...i have not had a chance to return to the lab for testing. It remains on my to-do list though.
 
Found the compression video http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/balls.html#compression

Based on different speeds of the hit, you have different circles. Pretty easy to show though, Charlie Hustle just needs to play a bit without hitting a pocket under the same conditions and post a pic of what the balls look like. If they look the same, marks not caused by pockets.

I'd be willing to put up $10 to the first 3 people that think it's from the pockets and wants to take the bet, I say it's not.

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This entire conversation reminds me of something someone told me once. This is the best that I recall of the conversation... Water dripping on rock for 100's or 1000's of years will cause the rock to compress to cause a dip in the rock. This was a discussion about a torture/interrogation technique used by dripping water onto the forehead of a restrained person. It would make them almost crazy in a short time. And could compression the skull and make the person go crazy if under longer periods. Of course, I am recalling an old discussion so it may not be completely correct (also my friends often have told me that I have CRS disease!).

Whether it hard plastic (balls) or soft plastic (pockets), I don't know. It could be both. Add in wax or polish and it complicates these questions. Balls compress with one another and transfer wax and residue or just spotting. Uncleaned pockets could cause old wax residue transfer.

Also, ball polishers should have padding cleaned or changed periodically because they could transfer old wax/polish residue to balls. I wonder if not cleaning or changing the padding could cause thicker build-up of wax or polish on balls causing balls to skid more often. Since the Cyclops balls supposedly don't need cleaning this would make them less likely to skid. Although my experience with Cyclops has be increased skidding. But my experience is limited.
 
This entire conversation reminds me of something someone told me once. This is the best that I recall of the conversation... Water dripping on rock for 100's or 1000's of years will cause the rock to compress to cause a dip in the rock. This was a discussion about a torture/interrogation technique used by dripping water onto the forehead of a restrained person. It would make them almost crazy in a short time. And could compression the skull and make the person go crazy if under longer periods. Of course, I am recalling an old discussion so it may not be completely correct (also my friends often have told me that I have CRS disease!).

Whether it hard plastic (balls) or soft plastic (pockets), I don't know. It could be both. Add in wax or polish and it complicates these questions. Balls compress with one another and transfer wax and residue or just spotting. Uncleaned pockets could cause old wax residue transfer.

Also, ball polishers should have padding cleaned or changed periodically because they could transfer old wax/polish residue to balls. I wonder if not cleaning or changing the padding could cause thicker build-up of wax or polish on balls causing balls to skid more often. Since the Cyclops balls supposedly don't need cleaning this would make them less likely to skid. Although my experience with Cyclops has be increased skidding. But my experience is limited.


DISCLAIMER: Oops, didn't notice this was a longer running thread and additional pages to where I read to. Seems others have similar or same concerns that I mentioned.
 
Ok, I know I been slacking on this...bicycle and children keeping me busy.

That said, I did polish the aramith set I have been using and then next day bang a couple together, before they touched the table. There were discernable contact marks, though not as noticeable as pics shared thus far.

I need to bang the cyclop ones too, I know. Imma bang em good! Make em cry and plead for it to be over. You know what I'm sayin.
 
... I need to bang the cyclop ones too, I know. Imma bang em good! Make em cry and plead for it to be over. You know what I'm sayin.

We used to do sort of a trick shot with our hands. We would place two balls on the side rail and then run them together as fast as possible without breaking anything including our fingers. The balls run back along the side rails and go into the corner pocket. They seem to pick up some masse if you press them against the rail as you run them together and that makes them hug the cushion. We called it "Idiot's Delight". It's fun and impresses bystanders. Try it. See how long it takes the room owner to say something.;)
 
It is not necessarily how tight your pockets are (width at the mouth) but what their taper is and how long the shelf is that will determine how sloppy or forgiving the pockets are. All in another post on this thread.

You can order or make the pockets on a Diamond pro am in a lot of different sizes, but the pro pockets, which I have on mine, are 4 1/2 inches at the mouth and 3 3/4 at the throat. The shelf depth is deeper on a Diamond than a Brunswick determined by pro players to be where 40% of the ball is still available to hit on a down the rail shot at the object balls deepest point.

Now I do know someone that can make a Brunswick table play like a Diamond. He is an expert in redoing rails and pockets to whatever specs. you desire.

He set up my table and is considered the Diamond expert in this area. He is a full time table mechanic and works directly with Diamond manufacturing as far buying, selling, transporting and storage in the greater Denver metro area.

I am not a table mechanic but if your pockets are 4 1/2" at the mouth and 3 3/4" at the throat it sounds like your pocket miters are incorrect. Mine are 141-143 degrees if my memory is correct. My rails were professionally done, it was not a home experimenting task.
 
DISCLAIMER: Oops, didn't notice this was a longer running thread and additional pages to where I read to. Seems others have similar or same concerns that I mentioned.

But you did touch on an interesting point, the pads in the cleaner. I finished the next experiment that I alluded to in my most recent posts. I know I haven't shared the info yet...
 
Cyclop on top.

Aramith on bottom.

Both out of diamond polisher for day+.
 

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Aramith. Tiny dots are marks left by fast and mid power. Big spots are harder strikes.
 

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Cyclop set. not devoid, but far less marred. Easiest place to seee marks is on the 8, below light's reflection, in line parallel to felt.

That was for chaaaaaliie. Felt. Wtf. No damn felt on a pool table. Cloth!
 

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Bones and skin heal, unlike rocks. Dripping water will never catch on as torture. I am sure of that.

This entire conversation reminds me of something someone told me once. This is the best that I recall of the conversation... Water dripping on rock for 100's or 1000's of years will cause the rock to compress to cause a dip in the rock. This was a discussion about a torture/interrogation technique used by dripping water onto the forehead of a restrained person. It would make them almost crazy in a short time. And could compression the skull and make the person go crazy if under longer periods. Of course, I am recalling an old discussion so it may not be completely correct (also my friends often have told me that I have CRS disease!).

Whether it hard plastic (balls) or soft plastic (pockets), I don't know. It could be both. Add in wax or polish and it complicates these questions. Balls compress with one another and transfer wax and residue or just spotting. Uncleaned pockets could cause old wax residue transfer.

Also, ball polishers should have padding cleaned or changed periodically because they could transfer old wax/polish residue to balls. I wonder if not cleaning or changing the padding could cause thicker build-up of wax or polish on balls causing balls to skid more often. Since the Cyclops balls supposedly don't need cleaning this would make them less likely to skid. Although my experience with Cyclops has be increased skidding. But my experience is limited.
 
I found this topic interesting so once I got home from work last night, I checked to see if my balls had spots as well. Alas, I must report they do. Then I saw the likely cause. My QB has RED SPOTS all over it!!! I think it's contagious. Anyone wanting to get rid of their diseased centennials. Please PM me. I will take them off your hands for a minimal fee.
 
I found this topic interesting so once I got home from work last night, I checked to see if my balls had spots as well. Alas, I must report they do. Then I saw the likely cause. My QB has RED SPOTS all over it!!! I think it's contagious. Anyone wanting to get rid of their diseased centennials. Please PM me. I will take them off your hands for a minimal fee.

I am going to put my super pros on flea bay.

You are all duly warned.
 
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