Because the break in one pocket is the first huge shot of each game, and when done right, it can place you opponent in a defense postion so fast, that a lot of games are won just on the basis the the break shot.
Alternate break is ruining pool
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Because the break in one pocket is the first huge shot of each game, and when done right, it can place you opponent in a defense postion so fast, that a lot of games are won just on the basis the the break shot.
So it's your position than that Pro's shouldn't be allowed to play in amateur events, and yet amateurs should be allowed to play against Pros in any event THEY choose to play in....so they can get their rocks off bragging about how great they are as pool players because they ALMOST beat so'n so, or did beat a Pro because of the short races and HANDICAPPED rules designed to hinder the Pro player from actually being able to play like a Pro!
Got'cha....i understand now!!
It is pretty commonplace in many sporting activities to see participants are able to join levels above their own, but not below.
So it's your position than that Pro's shouldn't be allowed to play in amateur events, and yet amateurs should be allowed to play against Pros in any event THEY choose to play in....so they can get their rocks off bragging about how great they are as pool players because they ALMOST beat so'n so, or did beat a Pro because of the short races and HANDICAPPED rules designed to hinder the Pro player from actually being able to play like a Pro!
Got'cha....i understand now!!
IF i were sponsoring Pro pool events today, I'd start out with only the top 16 Pro's, decided by a skill level test before each event, as to always be able to allow new top 16 Pros to bump out those who played before them, that way the field of 16 keeps getting better and better. Then, I'd guarantee the pay scale for each event as follows. 16-9 pays $1,000 each, 8-5 pays $2,000 each, 4-3 pays $4,000 each, 2nd pays $8,000 1st pays $16,000....with no entry fees. I'd set up a live broadcast system so viewers could watch any of the matches by being able to switch back and forth between the 8 tables being used for a $4.95 a day viewer fee.
Then change the rules of 10 ball to a race to 21, single elimination format. winner breaks format. And a match time limit of 3 hours in a winner is declared, unless at the ding of the bell, the match being played needed to go into overtime during the 30 minute break between rounds to determine the winner. I would also allow an early win by knock out rule, that when there is a 10 game spread the match is called over as an unbalanced match between players. The only exception to that rule is if a player runs a 10 pack or more in which case once the player misses, the opponent can attempt to match the same run, failier to do so is an automatic loss. 30 second shot clock would ba available, but must be activated by one of the players first before it's incorporated into the match, BUT once activated both players must then play under the no extension rule, and will be penalised the loss of 1 game per time violation which will be awarded.to the opponent, and the player will begin under a new 30 second clock and will still be required to shoot.
Jump cues may only be used if it was used during a pryor shot, such as when making a safety push out, as it declares a players intent to make a jump shot before hand, but will not be allowed at any other time. No magic rack or any other racking aid. Rack your own, but failing to accept you own rack with in 30 seconds will be penalized by 1 loss to the opponent, an still be required to rack with in a new 30 seconds. Pattern of balls racked will be the same pattern at all times, failure to rack according to the rules will result in 1 loss, awarded to the opponent. Checking the rack by an opponent will not be allowed, if an opponent complains about the racking by the other player, 1 point loss will be assessed against the player and awared to the opponent for unsportsmanlike conduct. Any other unsportsmanlike conduct will first result in a 1 point loss, and awarded to the opponent. 2 unsportsmanlike like penalties will result in a forfeit of the match and loss of tournament prize money payment, and will be devided up between the remaining players equally.
All ball fouls will be in effect, in which case will result in loss of play for the offending player. Any 10 ball made on the break counts as a win. And once play has commenced, both players shall be allowed ONE lifeline per game.in which a player may choose to push out to play a safety without committing a foul, but must declare the safety before hand.
If I were a sponsor, and paying a field of 16 Pros a guaranteed pay out of $48,000 in prize money, that's how id do it....so, the world better hope i DON'T become a sponsor!!! Because i WILL change pool on the PRO level!!:thumbup:
PS, i forgot to mention the drug testing, yes that'll be a requirement AFTER each event. Any violations of the drug testing will result in a lifetime bann.
Then change the rules of 10 ball to a race to 21, single elimination format. winner breaks format. And a match time limit of 3 hours in a winner is declared, unless at the ding of the bell, the match being played needed to go into overtime during the 30 minute break between rounds to determine the winner. I would also allow an early win by knock out rule, that when there is a 10 game spread the match is called over as an unbalanced match between players. The only exception to that rule is if a player runs a 10 pack or more in which case once the player misses, the opponent can attempt to match the same run, failier to do so is an automatic loss. 30 second shot clock would ba available, but must be activated by one of the players first before it's incorporated into the match, BUT once activated both players must then play under the no extension rule, and will be penalised the loss of 1 game per time violation which will be awarded.to the opponent, and the player will begin under a new 30 second clock and will still be required to shoot.
Jump cues may only be used if it was used during a pryor shot, such as when making a safety push out, as it declares a players intent to make a jump shot before hand, but will not be allowed at any other time. No magic rack or any other racking aid. Rack your own, but failing to accept you own rack with in 30 seconds will be penalized by 1 loss to the opponent, an still be required to rack with in a new 30 seconds. Pattern of balls racked will be the same pattern at all times, failure to rack according to the rules will result in 1 loss, awarded to the opponent. Checking the rack by an opponent will not be allowed, if an opponent complains about the racking by the other player, 1 point loss will be assessed against the player and awared to the opponent for unsportsmanlike conduct. Any other unsportsmanlike conduct will first result in a 1 point loss, and awarded to the opponent. 2 unsportsmanlike like penalties will result in a forfeit of the match and loss of tournament prize money payment, and will be devided up between the remaining players equally.
All ball fouls will be in effect, in which case will result in loss of play for the offending player. Any 10 ball made on the break counts as a win. And once play has commenced, both players shall be allowed ONE lifeline per game.in which a player may choose to push out to play a safety without committing a foul, but must declare the safety before hand.
If I were a sponsor, and paying a field of 16 Pros a guaranteed pay out of $48,000 in prize money, that's how id do it....so, the world better hope i DON'T become a sponsor!!! Because i WILL change pool on the PRO level!!:thumbup:
PS, i forgot to mention the drug testing, yes that'll be a requirement AFTER each event. Any violations of the drug testing will result in a lifetime bann.
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Would that be 30 seconds to rack AND break?
And where are you going to get the money?
And what about having referees?
To accept the rack as is! Referees only need to be available if needed, they're not monitors. If players at this level can't conduct themselves Professionally, especially if they're being WATCHED by the viewing audience, I'll bann them and forfeit their pay, it's that simple. And trust me, if i bann a player from MY sponsoring system, they WON'T BE playing ever again.
Sounds doable. But not sure how many steaming viewers you could/would get. Only one way to find out i guess. I would have to rethink letting players police themselves though. I'm running short on putting faith in my fellow man these days.
When a player has something to lose, you'd be suprised at how fast you can get their attention, and how much they'd all love to represent this sport as the best of the best!!
Don’t you think that the break is also the first big shot in rotation games at the professional level? I think all of the arguments for WINNER BREAKS in this thread can be applied to one pocket.
Watched Orcullo-Chua the other day(9ball, race-to-35, winner break) and they used a magic-style template. Balls were going in and final was 35-33 Dennis. Great match. No whining, *****ing of ANY kind. Just great playing by both.
yep and that happens...
Yep, that exact thing happens in alternate breaking too...
guy a) bnr guy b) dry break, guy a) runs out, guy a) bnr...etc...
Jaden
Yep, that exact thing happens in alternate breaking too...
guy a) bnr guy b) dry break, guy a) runs out, guy a) bnr...etc...
Jaden
Yep. You lose your serve playing alt.brk. you usually get hammered.
Try golf for one.............................
How about the US Open golf tournament?? Or the BritishOpen? BOTH allow players with a 2hdcp(or better) to try and qualify. So, two of the BIGGEST sporting events on the PLANET allow amateurs to compete against pros. But if pool does it its bad??? Really???
So it's your position than that Pro's shouldn't be allowed to play in amateur events, and yet amateurs should be allowed to play against Pros in any event THEY choose to play in....so they can get their rocks off bragging about how great they are as pool players because they ALMOST beat so'n so, or did beat a Pro because of the short races and HANDICAPPED rules designed to hinder the Pro player from actually being able to play like a Pro!
Got'cha....i understand now!!
No that's not my position at all.
How many high run packs have you seen in one pocket?
Yes, it absolutely is, seeings how pool has NEVER even had one single PRO'S only event todate!! I want a level of Pro's that represent this sport at the highest level there is, and get PAID in doing so, Amateurs have made the majority of the prize money as it is, and do nothing but dilute it like muddy water as to what it means to be a professional pool player by their instance that they have a RIGHT to play against the Pro's, but they don't want to play them even up becausr they KNOW they stand no chance in hell of winning, so with their ENTRY FEES they have successfully screwed the rules of pool up to the point that it's on it's last legs in this country.
In playing 10b, 9b, and 8b, the break is less devastating to an opponent when the match is being played to a race to 21, or 3 hours time limit. The shorter the race the more powerfull the break plays a roll in deciding the winner! Now, on the other hand, if a Pro don't practice his break and wants to just rely on his skills as a player to win after the break, and wants to complain about the OTHER players break being unfair, or he's cheating racking, or any other bullshit because he's getting beat by the break.....then, LEARN TO BREAK, LEARN TO RACK.....NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THE EXACT SAME THING BACK!!!
In other word, the FIRST rule in boxing is protect yourself at ALL times, the SECOND unwritten rule in boxing is, if your opponent is hitting you in the NUTS, hit him in the NUTS back....and he'll quit doing that!!!
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I'm not even interested in changing the breaks, no break box, don't give a damn about Cory Duel breaking soft either because without a racking aid to present a dead perfect rack every time, the soft break is worthless. But if Cory can still makenit work for him, it's because he put in the time to master it, don't like it, then lean to break soft and beat Cory at his own game, but I'm NOT changing the rules for the players that don't want to put in the time to work on their break.....NOT HAPPENING!
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Lots of invitational events have had fields that would be considered all pros -- examples: Accu-Stats Make It Happen events (12 of them), most of the DCC Bigfoot events, the CSI Invitational 8-Ball and 10-Ball Championships.
Those players, not one of them had to earn a players spot to play, which don't make it a Pro's only event, not when the field of players is hand picked, sorry.