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I don’t understand where all the negatively comes from with regards to people’s individual preferences? I mean I don’t like fat chicks but I wouldn’t put someone down who does. It’s not different than any other industry such as Firearms or cars, thankfully we have choices to buy what we want but bashing someone for buying something they enjoy makes you look ignorant and foolish....
 
ChicagoRJ said:
On 85% of my shots with English the amount of deflection is so minimal [it seems to me like] I don't have to compensate for anything.
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Just sayin'...

My custom teenytinyhollowtipped cue squirts less than a Revo, yet I have to adjust for squirt on every side spin shot. But I can see how it might seem otherwise compared to normal squirt cues.

pj
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HUKIT said:
I don’t understand where all the negatively comes from with regards to people’s individual preferences? I mean I don’t like fat chicks but I wouldn’t put someone down who does. It’s not different than any other industry such as Firearms or cars, thankfully we have choices to buy what we want but bashing someone for buying something they enjoy makes you look ignorant and foolish....
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Bump!

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WoodyMPW said:
And everybody should drive a Prius. No other car will make you a better driver.
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I don't downshift often, but when I do, it's next to a Prius, so it's driver can hear me ruining the planet.

Carbon fiber shaft? If you want one, buy it. Makes no difference to me.
 
desi2960 said:
They have been making, plastic, fibreglass, plastic coated, carbon fiber cored, and a zillion other synthetic
shafts for many many years. I believe a pool cue is always going to end up with a wood shaft.

There will be a few that wears a glove, has a vibration damper on their cue, and using $30 chalk. But after playing for 68 years, I'm telling you. You cannot buy a good game. Quit spending ur money on crap and spend it on table time. Practice, practice, practice
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Boy... tons of bossiness and ASSumptions made here...

Any other suggestions? Eating habits, sexual preferences/positions, movie choices, etc....

I would love to hear them all .... lol
 
Revo has not made the wooden shaft a dinosaur...yet. I predict the future versions will.
It's not about the amount of deflection. It's about consistency from shot to shot, but more importantly, consistency for various off center hits. The players who will benefit most are players who have the most accurate stroke and want a shaft that gets the most consistent results. There are no surprises, what you see is what you get, time after time.

Instead of arguing, let's come back and read this thread in a few years. By the way, unless a player has tried CF long enough to adapt, how could they form an opinion?
 
How good do i play

Not very good, since i spend all my time building cues, and not practicing.

I'm not saying don't buy one, I just wanted to say it seems to me, a 74 year old that's been playing for 68 years, too many people want to buy something that makes them a better player,instead of practicing to become a better player.

But I guess a person could do both.
 
buckshotshoey said:
I don't think the graphite shaft is worth over $500 bucks. It could be said it is the cost of new technology. But given Predators track record, does anyone think the price will come down in the future? I say NOT! AAMOF, a custom cue maker does a lot more work, and uses far more knowledge selecting the proper piece of wood, and manufacturing a wood shaft then Predator does with a graphite one.

Take this for example.... how much does a top of the line graphite golf club shaft cost? Or a high end fishing pole? They have come down in price since inception because of improvements in manufacturing. Do you think Predator will do the same? Or will they lower production costs and increase profits rather then giving the consumer a better deal?

I do have a Predator cue, and I like it, but I never would have obtained one if I hadn't won it in a contest. I don't care for the way they do business. If you do, fine. It's my opinion.
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Predator pricing will change based on demand and competition. I can see many competitors of carbon fiber shafts being offered in the years to come which should push prices down.
Predator probably invested a lot of money in R&D to bring Revo to market and are just trying to recover cost as well as profit.

What is odd is that Revo shafts have not been available for months now, so either there are product or production problems or who knows, maybe it’s a marketing strategy.
 
TATE said:
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It's not about the amount of deflection. It's about consistency from shot to shot, but more importantly, consistency for various off center hits. ...
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Also if you want a second shaft, you can probably get a pretty good match.

Hmm.... That would be a good way to compare different kinds of tips. Just get a dozen or two Revo shafts. Tell Karim that Bob sent you.
 
ChrisinNC said:
You must be using a different Revo shaft than myself or Brandon Gramse from Select Billiards used when he did his shaft review. Yes, it is much less deflection than most any other shaft, but based on his tests, the Revo shaft still deflects the CB 1/2" on a soft hit, 3/4" on a medium hit, and 7/8" on a firm hit, and that's only with 1 cue tip of english - not even with maxiumum english applied.
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I don't play with a REVO shaft or anything that Predator makes.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Just sayin'...

My custom teenytinyhollowtipped cue squirts less than a Revo, yet I have to adjust for squirt on every side spin shot. But I can see how it might seem otherwise compared to normal squirt cues.

pj
chgo
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That sucks Pat. Not me. You really have to adjust using English when the cb is only 2 diamonds from the cue ball, and the cueball is just a diamond or so from the pocket?

I can't do that with my house cues I keep in the basement, cb goes all over the place ;) I can play with a house cue, but I have to think about every shot. And you know me, I don't like to think too much ;) lol
 
Poolhall60561 said:
Predator pricing will change based on demand and competition. I can see many competitors of carbon fiber shafts being offered in the years to come which should push prices down.
Predator probably invested a lot of money in R&D to bring Revo to market and are just trying to recover cost as well as profit.

What is odd is that Revo shafts have not been available for months now, so either there are product or production problems or who knows, maybe it’s a marketing strategy.
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I think once Predator moves production to China, the Revo shaft will have better availably.

As far as the pricing coming down as competition increases, I don't see that ever happening with Predator. Predator is the high end of the market. They set the standard in low squirt cues in 1995 or 1996, and since then, other competitors have been compared to them. They are like the Moori of cues. They are purposely at the high end, imo. You can also look at the retail pricing of the 314 shaft over the years. It has always gone up since 1995, never down.
 
Poolhall60561 said:
Predator pricing will change based on demand and competition. I can see many competitors of carbon fiber shafts being offered in the years to come which should push prices down.
Predator probably invested a lot of money in R&D to bring Revo to market and are just trying to recover cost as well as profit.

What is odd is that Revo shafts have not been available for months now, so either there are product or production problems or who knows, maybe it’s a marketing strategy.
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Anybody want to give odds that Predator will lower their prices?
 
If you stay in line (the right side of the ball)) and use the vertical axis speed control ,you might just beat that guy with that85% more accurate shaft thats not deflecting out of line no squirt smooth as silk .Make sure he aint taking a air barrel after his money went to that great no miss weapon.
 
May I ask one simple question which billiard game out of these three do you think needs more accuracy in order to be successful:
a) snooker
b) chinese 8-ball
c) pool.
And can you quess my next question which comes after answering the first one?
 
I am a converted believer in the Revo. It's certainly not zero deflection, as a matter of fact my TrueShaft seemed to deflect less than the Revo. The feeling & consistency of the Revo sold me. I love mine and respectfully disagree with those that say it's not worth $500, it is to me. All about perspective. There are plenty of choices for everyone.
 
desi2960 said:
They have been making, plastic, fibreglass, plastic coated, carbon fiber cored, and a zillion other synthetic

shafts for many many years. I believe a pool cue is always going to end up with a wood shaft.



There will be a few that wears a glove, has a vibration damper on their cue, and using $30 chalk. But after playing for 68 years, I'm telling you. You cannot buy a good game. Quit spending ur money on crap and spend it on table time. Practice, practice, practice
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Suppose you have a lot of money, can afford all the table time you need, lessons, tourneys, etc. why not play with a shaft you like. The old "it's the Indian not the arrow" is exactly wrong if you have two equally matches Indians. No disrespect, but posts like these very much build the stereotype of "you can't teach old dogs new tricks".

How many racks have you played with a Revo shaft? Have you specifically tested out extreme English shots, etc. You really tested it thoroughly?


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hang-the-9 said:
I have to say that between a wood racket vs a new one is a HUGE difference in performance, while a modern wood shaft vs any of the man made material ones is not nearly as different in what it can do with a cueball. I don't think we even need to talk about "accuracy" since that is all in how you aim and hit the ball in the first place. I know plenty of players that can't play at all with an LD shaft, so all that "4 times more accurate" sales talk just means that some engineer compared flex or something.

My biggest issue with the fancy pants stuff is the cost. There should not be a world where someone makes a $500 shaft, and where players go "yep, sounds like a deal" LOL
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Progress is measured by your interest or the limits of your perception?

I'm sure Roger Federer has the funds to have a nice custom wood racket built just for his challenge match with you, where you can use any new high tech racket you want. No offense by my money is on the Fed haha!

I have played plenty of tennis, and I think it is only the sensitivity of your perception that creates the illusion that modern materials affect tennis racket performance "hugely" more than pool shaft performance.

Things cost what they cost. Things *should* cost what they cost. People's interests and the places they perceive value will differ from yours. That's the whole beauty of the idea that you can buy a $25 wal mart cue, or a $50 action cue, or a $10k black boar, or a $450 all wood Dennis Searing shaft. Or anything *you* like the best. "Should" this situation change??

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ChrisinNC said:
You must be using a different Revo shaft than myself or Brandon Gramse from Select Billiards used when he did his shaft review. Yes, it is much less deflection than most any other shaft, but based on his tests, the Revo shaft still deflects the CB 1/2" on a soft hit, 3/4" on a medium hit, and 7/8" on a firm hit, and that's only with 1 cue tip of english - not even with maxiumum english applied.
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And those numbers are the same as other shafts? Or are they better? What's the second best? And what is the difference between best and second best? 1/2"? 1/4"? How much does it take to miss a ball?

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