I think it would save a lot of trees.
At what price would it make sense for room owners to take the plunge?
At what price would it make sense for room owners to take the plunge?
Revo "technology" in a house cue
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A good house cue is around 35bux retail. Wholesale i'm sure is a lot less. No one is ever going to fill the racks with cf house cues. Re-tipping alone would be a major pia if the Revo is any indicator.
I agree with the first part, but I just retipped my Revo in the usual way and have had no problems so far. Did I miss something?
I believe your opinion is being heavily influenced by what Predator is retailing their shafts for rather than what it might cost to produce them.
Carbon fiber isn't gold.
I play mostly with house cues, and they seem to warp and get damaged at an alarming rate.
You are living in a fantasy. Even a stupid businessman wouldn't put expensive cues in the racks for customers to abuse or steal. LOL.
What does it cost to replace a single Centennial ball or S. Aramith Pro?
I had to pay $30 for a fancy new Aramith ball replacement. But players usually have to leave an ID when they get the balls at pool halls.
I used to play in a room that had Willie Hoppe signature house cues. I wish I had bought them all when they closed.
They probably spent a decent amount in the pre build stage and developing the process...that being said, its no secret why they're so expensive. This time next year the Revo will more than likely just be another name on the list, the craze will be over and people will be back to reality. The marketing geniuses at Predator are sharper than Disney. If they offered the latest and greatest piece of billiard technology that will elevate anyone's game at basically the same price they have done so in the past, it would seem like another gimmick. Instead they are probably making more money than ever and with a product that other than being warp free is basically just another notch in their catalog. An APA 5 isnt going to buy one and get the last 3 from Shane instead of the last 5. They did exactly what they were suppose to do, from a business standpoint.
From Predators website....
[ REVO 12.4mm CARBON COMPOSITE SHAFT
The ultimate in billiards technology and performance. Made of carbon fiber composite, REVO 12.4mm shafts incorporate more than twenty years of technological innovation and testing. REVO shafts feature the lightest front end mass, the lowest rate of rise taper, greatest radial consistency, and most durable construction. The result? The most accurate billiards shaft in the world at both low and high speeds, featuring the smoothest finish, the most spin, and uncompromising durability and strength.
Most accurate Predator shaft at low and high speeds
12.4mm tip diameter
REVO Low-rise taper with 8% rise over the first 14 inches
REVO Ferrule-less construction
Limited-lifetime warranty against warpage ]
Im not knocking them because ive never tryed one, and will never buy one at such a ridiculous price, but everything they mention other than the lifetime warranty against warpage can be done with wood. There is little argument that can be made that the shaft is so far superior it justifies the price...in other words people are spending $250-$300 for the non-warpage guarantee :scratchhead:
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I dont think OP was referring to replacing House cues with Revos. More using synthetic materials to make house cues as opposed to wood. We all know this can and has been done rather inexpensively with Cuetec.
The idea was based on the ability to withstand abuse and not warp while not playing like a hunk of steel.
I also imagine that a 58 inch cue isn't the sort of thing a person can just put in their pocket and walk out with.
So, if a cf cue hypothetically costs twice as much as a Hi-run but last three times as long, does it take a Warren Buffett to put them in the racks?
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That's correct. The anti-warping and resiliency to damage have been around, but not in conjunction with the playablity of Revo tech.
Where do you think the carbon in carbon fiber comes from? Where do you think the solvents and gases used in the production of CF come from?
Oil, as in the non-renewable resource out of the ground.
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I wasn't exactly making an environmental statement.
It was my way of saying that wood may no longer be the best guy for the job.
Oh. OK. It sounded like an environmental statement.
There are many forms of carbon...wood is after all one of them.
What will be best for the job? I dunno. I think that not long after the CF technology settles in their will be something else.
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Until they are about the same price as a bar cue, it does not make sense. Warped bar cues is not a real problem. Pool room owners do not care and people do not stop going to a pool hall because the bar cues are warped. I would also say that if no one ever made another pool cue, the wood suppliers would barely notice on the grand scheme of things.
Mr. Jewett, are you still playing with that custom Revo that was 11.5 mm? (Uncertain of the size but I remember it was smaller than 12)
I remember you saying something that you wanted to go even smaller? So you still feel that way? And is the taper a pro taper or conical?
What type of tip?
I'm now playing with a 12.0 (or 11.95) with a straighter taper than I had before.
The tip I put on is a Water Buffalo which I'm not so sure I want on there. It's a little harder than I'm used to.
I've been playing with low-squirt shafts since the early 80s, so I had no real adjustment period for the various modern shafts. If I went to maybe a 10mm carbon fiber shaft I think it might take a while to get used to it. I have no idea at what diameter durability becomes a problem.
Thanks for the info. I have a carbon fiber BeCue shaft in 12.0mm/pro taper and it seems that it's the perfect durability size, where integrity and structure are solid but not too beefy to get in the way of the shot (sighting adjustment, closed bridge, etc).
I know a few pros that like to hover around 12.0mm with various shafts after talking to them and I'm not sure why predator never went there with the Revo right out of the starting block.
