When will Fargo outgrow the sandbaggers?
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Um, never in the lower division. The winners games will go into the books and help establish them at a higher rating and a new bunch of unrated folks will win next year. Unfortunately folks with well established low ratings are never going to win unless you totally exclude non-established players.
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This has not been our experience. And it is something we are monitoring. In fact we will do an analysis.
There are many, many players with no games in the system or few games in the system who have done nothing wrong and in fact may have been loyal BCAPL players playing league every year for 10 years. When such a player enters, CSI will assign or review a starter rating based on whatever information is available--league stats, league operator, google, whatever. The players don't just enter at whatever starter-rating happened to be in the system.
When all is said and done, let's say a division has one third established players, one third players with NO games (play by starter rating), and one third players with some but fewer that 200 games in the system. Success would be the pool of players who cash fit that same ratio. And if the players in the money across the board deviate from that ratio, we want it to be in the direction that unestablished players are less likely rather than more likely to finish in the money.
This is the kind of analysis we did for the Western BCA event a few months ago. It worked out fine there. If anything the starter-ratings had been set a little too high on average because those players cashed at a notably lower rate than expected.
where I am, it is almost a certainty that numbers are not going to fargo, it is to bad some would benefit from it.
JC
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I suppose if you analyze by cashing you might get balance and honestly I don't have a better idea how to make it seem right. Unfortunately the prizes are quite top heavy in BCAPL events and I was only looking at the winners in my observation. First couple places rakes in as much as a whole grip of lower finishers.
My question really was when will it stop looking like this if ever and the cycle AFpool guy described be broken. When LMS is required to be used in order to have a league? Don't know if that is the ultimate answer but I can't help but wonder if there will always be the "Guy" who somehow is the best player that day with 6 robustness. After all someone has to win right?:wink:
JC
I understand it. There is not much around my area for Fargorate. I have one tournament that I have been in around here that reports to it. Our league is VNEA and our stats are not reported. I think to be more accurate all of the major league brands should report ( BCA, APA, VNEA....) That way it is more accurate. Fargorate in my opinion is a great system and is real cool. I live in western North Dakota so there isn't much that reports to Fargorate. I brought it up to my league operator and he said that Compusport does not send stuff to Fargorate yet and that is as far as he was going to go with it. So it will take time for it to all balance for now in my opinion.
Yes, we can do the analysis both as who finished in the $$ and also to which group did the $$ go.
LMS is just being rolled out now to most leagues. Our objective is to get all leagues big and small everywhere onto LMS. Even largely without LMS data, though, our database has been growing fast. For the past year, we have collected about 350 games per hour 24 hours a day for 365 days--3 million new games in one year.
I think that cycle isn't actually a thing. But I will wait until I've done the analysis to comment.
I wanted to chat with you in Vegas but you just lost a match so I decided to wait until I saw you again. That didn’t happen. Just hoping to say thanks for doing all you do.
Seems strange that the team that just won first in Vegas finished 6th in a 9 team league. Every player on that team was underrated, but what can you do?
Here is the guy that won the Bronze Division, the lowest one. He has an actual performance rating of 460 and also a starter guess of 460. He played US Bar Table one year and played three years in the BCAPL Open Division. Of those four tournaments he only won one match --lost 8, won 1. And in 6 of his 8 match losses he didn't get past 2 games (to 5). He also has some league games in the system.
He likely has been playing league continuously. He won the Bronze. Good for him. It is probably a really big deal in his life. This is the way it is supposed to work.
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Which team? Platinum?
wonder why some malletheads think it make cents to hustle for pnutz
No problems with people like that. I have a small problem with those that don’t want a rating but DO want to play these tourneys.
JC
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He was the best case guy in the group and I agree it was a good thing for him.
At the other end of the spectrum, what can you tell us about Mr. Bustamante who won the gold? Beat a well established 609 twice at the end. I can tell you what I guess about him. He plays real strong.
Again Mike I'm not trying to just stir up trouble. I'm observing the fargo rate system which I believe in strongly to see how it's working and commenting on what I see.
LMS on the other hand is really struggling in my opinion. The same issues continue to plague it with what seems to be no end in sight. But that's a different conversation.
JC
I don't play league but imo as much information that is entered in fargorate there is
several times that amount that doesn't get entered. There are weekly and modnthly
tournaments played all the time that don't get entered and probably never will be entered
For example the room where I play most of my tournaments at doesn't send anything in.
Why should the guy keep up with scores and then submit to fargorate when he has 2
tournaments a week. He has nothing to gain by doing it. He spends all night 2 nights a
week putting on these tournaments, he has a business to run to feed his family.
several times that amount that doesn't get entered. There are weekly and modnthly
tournaments played all the time that don't get entered and probably never will be entered
For example the room where I play most of my tournaments at doesn't send anything in.
Why should the guy keep up with scores and then submit to fargorate when he has 2
tournaments a week. He has nothing to gain by doing it. He spends all night 2 nights a
week putting on these tournaments, he has a business to run to feed his family.
DCC 9-Ball has match winners, no scores. We do get those in as single games--just the last game, essentially.