This is the complete story from start to end as of 8/3/18
and this is the rest of the story as of 8/7/18 at the bottom of this page
On Friday the 27th of July I made a deal to trade cues with William.
so the deal was his cue for mine and he assured me it was in great shape when I asked him about it.
I agreed to the trade based on that. We both agreed that we would send out the cues asap which was going to be on Saturday morning. I did so and he did not. He kept putting it off until he received the cue on Monday morning. He then still did not send out the cue until Friday morning...which is no big deal except he neglected to tell me that he had dropped the cue and broken the butt cap on it. Now he things i should
pay to ship it to Jacoby to get it fixed and then to have it shipped back to me in 6 to 8 weeks time. He claims that he will pay for the repair but only $125 because that is what he was quoted. That does not include shipping charges for me to and from them and the fact that i am out 6 to 8 weeks with no cue to deal with.
I told him no way is this a fair deal and he should ship me my cue back and after a few short texts (which are listed below that i copied and pasted to show the original errors in typing) well you can see his response....not very nice to say the least.
And it is obvious that he delayed the shipping of his cue until he got rid of my cue.
How am i supposed to come out on this...
Refuse the cue as the deal with him will not be complete and go after him as a fraud deal over the usps mail?
Accept the cue and hope he pays for it all if he pays at all?
Any opinions would be nice......at least dont let him do any more deals until this is resolved correctly.
If you have any questions about this please feel free to pm me...and this is the cue he got from me
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=477918
I would send him my Philippi and he would send me his Jacoby cue with a Jacoby hybrid shaft.
What follows here are the text messages that he and I exchanged. My texts are bold and his are in italics.
fri 27th 4:06pm
Hey there William You have pictures of the Jacob for me
Thanks
Jim
at 4:12pm i received these pictures
What kind of shape is it in
The last picture of the joint makes it looks pretty bad the shaft is all discolored or is that just the lighting
It is nit discolored at all. Lighting and cheap phone
It is great shape
What is the tip size
On the shaft
Radial
13mn
19 ounces
13mm
Whats up
Want to trade or not
Hold on
Answering phone call
Ok
Sure I will trade with you
Ok
Address
William crosby
7305 west kenmore drive
Apt 6
Norfolk va 23505
my information and address
It will go out to you tomorrow morning
Thanks
Jim
Mine to
Sounds good I will send you the tracking information
I am sending it via USPS priority mail with insurance
Should be there by Monday I think
Same here bro
I will go onto Azb and mark it as traded
Thanks
Jim
Thanks
At this point it is 4:39pm on the 27th of July
Then on Saturday the 28th at 1:11pm he sent this
dis you mail cue today
and I sent him these pictures to verify shipment of the cue to him.
It should be there Monday maybe Tuesday she said but it's out on its way and you'll see it quickly
Ok brother
I am still stuck at work. I an still trying to get there to mail yours today
On Monday at !:40pm i sent this to him
Did you get a chance to send the cue out???
Tracking information??
No brother not yet. Been stuck onboard ship brother wirjing emergency. Government comes first latest will be Wednesday
But i will try tomorrow
Ok thanks
so Monday at !:48pm he sent
They left my package at front office so at this point he has the cue already
So Wednesday I sent this out to him...
Have you sent mine out yet???
So Thursday I sent this out to him...
Still waiting for shipping confirmation on the cue
Please reply
So Friday Morning he sent this to me the post office received the cue at 11:30am
This is 6 days later and he is just getting it to the post office now read what he says!!!!
Monday you should get it
Thanks
Tracking usps
9505 5152 4117 8215 3830 38
When you get it you will need to send to dave for repair
I dropped it and it cracked butt cap. He said he will fix for 150
What?
Repair for what, you said it was good
No way send the other one back
That is bs
we can replace it the cost is 125.
It is not bullshit ok. Read what i wrote got it
I will refuse the cue and you need to send the other one back
I am not sending shit back ok
No i want
I will pay for the repair
It is nothing much. Dave jacoby said it is easy fix
Nowhere did you say it was damaged I am not paying to send it out and pay to get it back
I am refusing the cue you get it repaired and sell it to someone else
Send mine back
You can send back or refyse the cue snd come back to me
Then you will be out of two cues
I said i dropped it read through messages and i called dave and he said he will fix it for 125
I will pay
You did not send me that information
I have all of the texts right here in front of me
Here is what will happen
I will call Jacoby and find out about the repair....
I called and it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get it repaired that is not acceptable
So here it is
IF EITHER PARTY IS NOT SATISFIED THEN THE DEAL IS VOIDED
This is wrong send me my cue back please.
I will refuse the damaged one you sent.
I have dealt with issues like this before on AZB.
let me know what you are going to do
Thanks
Jim
I told you what i was going to do.
You can be a little dick head if you want but i am even more trust me. I said i would pay you refuse your lost
You can cry all you want.
Really that is your response. I am supposed to wait 6 to 8 weeks for the repair and hope you do pay the bill for the refinishing and shipping back and forth?
I don't think that is really a fair deal.
As I stated I do not have the cue and will refuse it as is my right.
So you need to send back the cue to me
Really simple
Thank you
Jim
Want happen. I traded that to offer it is long gone you won't get it back
You are in a little bit of a pickle then.
You can Paypal me $350 to cover total refinish of cue if needed. If it is less I will send you a copy of the repair and cost and refund you the rest back
Jim
Want hapoen. I git the email he told me 125
That is what i will pay once he tells me he has cue in hand
Ok pickle
Does not matter what the email says until they have the cue in hand to see it could be more damage than you think
Wgat ever i sent him pictures already he quoted me the total cost
You need to understand that once they have it the damage could be worse and the cost will go up both for shipping and sending back and no cue for 6 to 8 weeks
You really think that is a fair deal
This last text was sent at 10:05 on Friday morning the 3rd of August 2018
I have not heard from him anymore. He claims to have traded it already and does not have it anymore
Thanks for reading to the end if you have any suggestions please let me know as the cue will be here on Monday I think.
Here is the rest of the story................
ShortBusRuss listed that he sent a linkedin email to Mr Crosby at approximately 6:23pm on Friday the 3rd.
At 6:26Pm I started receiving messages from Mr Crosby via my phone. I also started receiving phone calls from him. I did not respond to any of them as I wanted all further messages to be on AZB so that there would be no misunderstanding of what was said.
On Monday at about 4:40pm the mail arrived and there were two packages from Mr Crosby. The one that was supposed to have the Jacoby that he traded to me was in a tube but it was opened and looked empty except for some clear bubble packing. It was apparent that it was a really bad job of trying to seal the tube.....I refused that and it should be going back to him. Now the other one was a box and in it was the cue that I sent to him. It was still wrapped in the same bright orange bubble wrap that I sent it to him in and the tape was in the same place that I put it. I use heavy duty tape that if you try to remove it the bubble wrap is ruined. In my opinion it was never taken out of the packaging that I sent it to him in. The cue seems fine and in the same condition that I sent it to him in. (it was not removed from the my packaging as far as I could tell)
Now the other concern is the Jacoby cue that he sent to me. I hate to say it but it sure looked like it was never in the package or it was purposely packaged poorly to make sure it fell apart in shipping.
I am sure he will file a claim for his lost cue........should he be able to.....my cue returned to me packaged correctly and the first one sent was a bad package. Both sent within a day of each other so he knows what to do for safe shipping.
It just seems to me to be purposely done.
So here are the texts he sent to me 3 min after the linkedin messages sent from ShortBussRuss...
I got a hold of guy i traded wuth he agreed to trade back. I will send you the philippi back. After i get fixed can we trade back
Jim i got the philippi back. I will send it first thing Monday after i finish work
Once i get that jacoby fixed then we work a trade
Sorry about the deal. I would have paid dave the 125 to fix it
I have not ever did any bad deals trust me
You will have the philippi monday also
Call me if you hace a chance please
and he sent this Monday morning
Did you get cues yet bro
And that is all that has happened up to Tuesday morning the 7th of August 2018
He never apologized to me for what he said or did....even though on AZ he claims to have done so....all he said here was "sorry about the deal"
My major concern here is the missing Jacoby cue that was supposed to have a broken butt that was missing from the shipping tube.
What to do?
There you have it....right after ShortBussRuss sent the linkedin email all of a sudden the cue was back in his hands and on its way back to me.
Both packages arrived on Monday although one was missing a cue(and that one was refused and handed right back to the postman...it never left his sight) and I have mine back. So I guess I am whole again just short the shipping and insurance funds.
Will this deter me from buying and selling on AZB ? No not at all. I have hundreds of trades and sales and over 125 repeat deals on here and have only had 2 experiences of it not working out and I had both of them resolved in the end.
Thanks all for the support and I look forward to hearing how this is going to end for Mr Crosby.
...........................
and this is the rest of the story as of 8/7/18 at the bottom of this page
On Friday the 27th of July I made a deal to trade cues with William.
so the deal was his cue for mine and he assured me it was in great shape when I asked him about it.
I agreed to the trade based on that. We both agreed that we would send out the cues asap which was going to be on Saturday morning. I did so and he did not. He kept putting it off until he received the cue on Monday morning. He then still did not send out the cue until Friday morning...which is no big deal except he neglected to tell me that he had dropped the cue and broken the butt cap on it. Now he things i should
pay to ship it to Jacoby to get it fixed and then to have it shipped back to me in 6 to 8 weeks time. He claims that he will pay for the repair but only $125 because that is what he was quoted. That does not include shipping charges for me to and from them and the fact that i am out 6 to 8 weeks with no cue to deal with.
I told him no way is this a fair deal and he should ship me my cue back and after a few short texts (which are listed below that i copied and pasted to show the original errors in typing) well you can see his response....not very nice to say the least.
And it is obvious that he delayed the shipping of his cue until he got rid of my cue.
How am i supposed to come out on this...
Refuse the cue as the deal with him will not be complete and go after him as a fraud deal over the usps mail?
Accept the cue and hope he pays for it all if he pays at all?
Any opinions would be nice......at least dont let him do any more deals until this is resolved correctly.
If you have any questions about this please feel free to pm me...and this is the cue he got from me
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=477918
I would send him my Philippi and he would send me his Jacoby cue with a Jacoby hybrid shaft.
What follows here are the text messages that he and I exchanged. My texts are bold and his are in italics.
fri 27th 4:06pm
Hey there William You have pictures of the Jacob for me
Thanks
Jim
at 4:12pm i received these pictures
What kind of shape is it in
The last picture of the joint makes it looks pretty bad the shaft is all discolored or is that just the lighting
It is nit discolored at all. Lighting and cheap phone
It is great shape
What is the tip size
On the shaft
Radial
13mn
19 ounces
13mm
Whats up
Want to trade or not
Hold on
Answering phone call
Ok
Sure I will trade with you
Ok
Address
William crosby
7305 west kenmore drive
Apt 6
Norfolk va 23505
my information and address
It will go out to you tomorrow morning
Thanks
Jim
Mine to
Sounds good I will send you the tracking information
I am sending it via USPS priority mail with insurance
Should be there by Monday I think
Same here bro
I will go onto Azb and mark it as traded
Thanks
Jim
Thanks
At this point it is 4:39pm on the 27th of July
Then on Saturday the 28th at 1:11pm he sent this
dis you mail cue today
and I sent him these pictures to verify shipment of the cue to him.
It should be there Monday maybe Tuesday she said but it's out on its way and you'll see it quickly
Ok brother
I am still stuck at work. I an still trying to get there to mail yours today
On Monday at !:40pm i sent this to him
Did you get a chance to send the cue out???
Tracking information??
No brother not yet. Been stuck onboard ship brother wirjing emergency. Government comes first latest will be Wednesday
But i will try tomorrow
Ok thanks
so Monday at !:48pm he sent
They left my package at front office so at this point he has the cue already
So Wednesday I sent this out to him...
Have you sent mine out yet???
So Thursday I sent this out to him...
Still waiting for shipping confirmation on the cue
Please reply
So Friday Morning he sent this to me the post office received the cue at 11:30am
This is 6 days later and he is just getting it to the post office now read what he says!!!!
Monday you should get it
Thanks
Tracking usps
9505 5152 4117 8215 3830 38
When you get it you will need to send to dave for repair
I dropped it and it cracked butt cap. He said he will fix for 150
What?
Repair for what, you said it was good
No way send the other one back
That is bs
we can replace it the cost is 125.
It is not bullshit ok. Read what i wrote got it
I will refuse the cue and you need to send the other one back
I am not sending shit back ok
No i want
I will pay for the repair
It is nothing much. Dave jacoby said it is easy fix
Nowhere did you say it was damaged I am not paying to send it out and pay to get it back
I am refusing the cue you get it repaired and sell it to someone else
Send mine back
You can send back or refyse the cue snd come back to me
Then you will be out of two cues
I said i dropped it read through messages and i called dave and he said he will fix it for 125
I will pay
You did not send me that information
I have all of the texts right here in front of me
Here is what will happen
I will call Jacoby and find out about the repair....
I called and it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get it repaired that is not acceptable
So here it is
IF EITHER PARTY IS NOT SATISFIED THEN THE DEAL IS VOIDED
This is wrong send me my cue back please.
I will refuse the damaged one you sent.
I have dealt with issues like this before on AZB.
let me know what you are going to do
Thanks
Jim
I told you what i was going to do.
You can be a little dick head if you want but i am even more trust me. I said i would pay you refuse your lost
You can cry all you want.
Really that is your response. I am supposed to wait 6 to 8 weeks for the repair and hope you do pay the bill for the refinishing and shipping back and forth?
I don't think that is really a fair deal.
As I stated I do not have the cue and will refuse it as is my right.
So you need to send back the cue to me
Really simple
Thank you
Jim
Want happen. I traded that to offer it is long gone you won't get it back
You are in a little bit of a pickle then.
You can Paypal me $350 to cover total refinish of cue if needed. If it is less I will send you a copy of the repair and cost and refund you the rest back
Jim
Want hapoen. I git the email he told me 125
That is what i will pay once he tells me he has cue in hand
Ok pickle
Does not matter what the email says until they have the cue in hand to see it could be more damage than you think
Wgat ever i sent him pictures already he quoted me the total cost
You need to understand that once they have it the damage could be worse and the cost will go up both for shipping and sending back and no cue for 6 to 8 weeks
You really think that is a fair deal
This last text was sent at 10:05 on Friday morning the 3rd of August 2018
I have not heard from him anymore. He claims to have traded it already and does not have it anymore
Thanks for reading to the end if you have any suggestions please let me know as the cue will be here on Monday I think.
Here is the rest of the story................
ShortBusRuss listed that he sent a linkedin email to Mr Crosby at approximately 6:23pm on Friday the 3rd.
At 6:26Pm I started receiving messages from Mr Crosby via my phone. I also started receiving phone calls from him. I did not respond to any of them as I wanted all further messages to be on AZB so that there would be no misunderstanding of what was said.
On Monday at about 4:40pm the mail arrived and there were two packages from Mr Crosby. The one that was supposed to have the Jacoby that he traded to me was in a tube but it was opened and looked empty except for some clear bubble packing. It was apparent that it was a really bad job of trying to seal the tube.....I refused that and it should be going back to him. Now the other one was a box and in it was the cue that I sent to him. It was still wrapped in the same bright orange bubble wrap that I sent it to him in and the tape was in the same place that I put it. I use heavy duty tape that if you try to remove it the bubble wrap is ruined. In my opinion it was never taken out of the packaging that I sent it to him in. The cue seems fine and in the same condition that I sent it to him in. (it was not removed from the my packaging as far as I could tell)
Now the other concern is the Jacoby cue that he sent to me. I hate to say it but it sure looked like it was never in the package or it was purposely packaged poorly to make sure it fell apart in shipping.
I am sure he will file a claim for his lost cue........should he be able to.....my cue returned to me packaged correctly and the first one sent was a bad package. Both sent within a day of each other so he knows what to do for safe shipping.
It just seems to me to be purposely done.
So here are the texts he sent to me 3 min after the linkedin messages sent from ShortBussRuss...
I got a hold of guy i traded wuth he agreed to trade back. I will send you the philippi back. After i get fixed can we trade back
Jim i got the philippi back. I will send it first thing Monday after i finish work
Once i get that jacoby fixed then we work a trade
Sorry about the deal. I would have paid dave the 125 to fix it
I have not ever did any bad deals trust me
You will have the philippi monday also
Call me if you hace a chance please
and he sent this Monday morning
Did you get cues yet bro
And that is all that has happened up to Tuesday morning the 7th of August 2018
He never apologized to me for what he said or did....even though on AZ he claims to have done so....all he said here was "sorry about the deal"
My major concern here is the missing Jacoby cue that was supposed to have a broken butt that was missing from the shipping tube.
What to do?
There you have it....right after ShortBussRuss sent the linkedin email all of a sudden the cue was back in his hands and on its way back to me.
Both packages arrived on Monday although one was missing a cue(and that one was refused and handed right back to the postman...it never left his sight) and I have mine back. So I guess I am whole again just short the shipping and insurance funds.
Will this deter me from buying and selling on AZB ? No not at all. I have hundreds of trades and sales and over 125 repeat deals on here and have only had 2 experiences of it not working out and I had both of them resolved in the end.
Thanks all for the support and I look forward to hearing how this is going to end for Mr Crosby.
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