90+ degree cut shot

[dr_dave]

Many supporting videos and additional info (illustrations, articles, explanations) on this topic are available here:

rail cut shot resource page

My challenge is the same to YOU Dave! Just make the last shot in my video with OUTSIDE English! For $5,000! I will give YOU a reasonable amount of tries! Or, I will shoot it with YOU or BOB, shot for shot for $5,000! First one to make it, takes down the CASH!

I don't understand why you are challenging us on this? Neither of us suggested it was possible.

Inside (running) is definitely the right play here, either ball first or cushion first. This technique is covered in detail on my resource page.

Regards,
Dave

 

[oldschool1478]

Try the same shot in the open table: put the cue ball on the head spot, the object ball on the center spot and show any amount of movement directly towards the side pocket with inside spin and a level stroke.

Yes. Please show us this 90+ degree shot when nowhere near the rail.
If you are truly hitting ball first this should be no problem. Right?

 

[mr3cushion]

I don't understand why you are challenging us on this? Neither of us suggested it was possible.

Inside (running) is definitely the right play here, either ball first or cushion first. This technique is covered in detail on my resource page.

Regards,
Dave

With all do respect Dave, the technique "I" apply is NOT covered on your resource page! It's NOT on anyone's page!

The point is, Bob, and I believe, You agreed, is that all ball can be back-cut more with OUTSIDE English than any other! I'll bet and proof that is NOT true on certain, 'over 90 degree cuts!'

 

[Bob Jewett]

Post a photo or diagram of the shot you are describing!

I'll let you know!

I thought the description was clear enough but here is a diagram with details.


One of my recent articles for Billiards Digest has a similar proposition shot but with the 1 ball one ball to the right and outside english is recommended.

 

[mr3cushion]

Yes. Please show us this 90+ degree shot when nowhere near the rail.
If you are truly hitting ball first this should be no problem. Right?

I not only, understand what I know, I'll bet I can do it also! :grin-square:!

 

[mr3cushion]

I thought the description was clear enough but here is a diagram with details.
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Bob, did YOU not understand my explanation of how "I" made the shots in my video?

I promise, I will use INSIDE English to make the shot YOU propose in the diagram.

How many shots do I get for the $5,000?

 

[FeelDaShot]

Bob, did YOU not understand my explanation of how "I" made the shots in my video?

I promise, I will use INSIDE English to make the shot YOU propose in the diagram.

How many shots do I get for the $5,000?

I like this guy! Get that money sir

 

[dr_dave]

With all do respect Dave, the technique "I" apply is NOT covered on your resource page! It's NOT on anyone's page!

Did you see the following on the aiming section of the rail cut shot resource page:

When the angle into the rail is very steep, inside (running) english makes the shot much easier, per the following video:

NV B.92 - "Impossible" cut shots, from VEPS V

This technique works even with a back cut, where the effective cut angle is greater than 90. Here's an example posted on Facebook by Max Mu:

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Shots like this can be converted hitting the cushion first (as demonstrated above) or by barely hitting the OB first, with the CB hitting the OB again after or during cushion compression. The inside can help swerve the CB into the shot (especially with more cue elevation) to help reduce the cut angle.

I think this covers the technique in your video. If not, please describe what is different.

Regards,
Dave

 

[BRussell]

Yes. Please show us this 90+ degree shot when nowhere near the rail.
If you are truly hitting ball first this should be no problem. Right?

Bob posted a video of himself doing a 90+ degree shot away from the rail earlier in the thread.

 

[dr_dave]

Bob posted a video of himself doing a 90+ degree shot away from the rail earlier in the thread.

Several examples of this, including Bob's are available on the "impossible cut shots" resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave

 

[mr3cushion]

Did you see the following on the aiming section of the rail cut shot resource page:

When the angle into the rail is very steep, inside (running) english makes the shot much easier, per the following video:

NV B.92 - "Impossible" cut shots, from VEPS V

This technique works even with a back cut, where the effective cut angle is greater than 90. Here's an example posted on Facebook by Max Mu:

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Shots like this can be converted hitting the cushion first (as demonstrated above) or by barely hitting the OB first, with the CB hitting the OB again after or during cushion compression. The inside can help swerve the CB into the shot (especially with more cue elevation) to help reduce the cut angle.

I think this covers the technique in your video. If not, please describe what is different.

Regards,
Dave

First of all, lets not confuse apples and oranges here with this video! This guy is playing a shot that is the, LENGTH of the table, ( the CB has distance to curve), and at that distance, I might not even know if I hit the OB first or not! This example is NOT good! He's Not creating a similar effect from only 20" away, as in MY video!

BTW, Dave, it's 100% obvious in your video of, LENGTH of the table cut, you contacted the, 'rail-first!' with a extremely elevated cue and still, the CB almost came back to where it started, it didn't go to the right long rail as my did in 25% less distance!

 

[Bob Jewett]

... How many shots do I get for the $5,000?

Why don't you just post up a video of you making the shot? I know why. Because you can't.

Please stop with the gambletard talk. It just makes you look silly.

 

[RiverCity]

Why don't you just post up a video of you making the shot? I know why. Because you can't.

Please stop with the gambletard talk. It just makes you look silly.

Adding that one to the list. :thumbup:

 

[mr3cushion]

Why don't you just post up a video of you making the shot? I know why. Because you can't.

Please stop with the gambletard talk. It just makes you look silly.

YOU don't get something from me for FREE Bob!

Bob, you know what looks silly, when a guy is instructing people with a video of cutting the ball and CAN'T follow 'straight-thru'! YOUR grip hand ALWAYS steers away from your body when you follow-thru!

I didn't want to mention this, but, YOU started with the,'silly' stuff! NOT attacking, just stating a fact!

 

[Bob Jewett]

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Bob, you know what looks silly, when a guy is instructing people with a video of cutting the ball and CAN'T follow 'straight-thru'! YOUR grip hand ALWAYS steers away from your body when you follow-thru!

Actually, my tip normally moves left to right across the ball as my hand comes in towards my body on the forward stroke. That is a result of not having had competent instruction when I started.

Please try to be less obnoxious and insulting.

 

[mr3cushion]

Actually, my tip normally moves left to right across the ball as my hand comes in towards my body on the forward stroke. That is a result of not having had competent instruction when I started.

Please try to be less obnoxious and insulting.

YOU insulted moi! Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
Why don't you just post up a video of you making the shot? I know why. Because you can't.

Please stop with the gambletard talk. It just makes you look silly.

I proposed a proposition bet! I know that might be foreign to YOU,but, it's pretty normal in the REAL pool world!

 

[Bob Jewett]

And if anyone feels they can make the shot I diagrammed above (which I say is not possible) in 20 shots, we can bet $50,000 a side with the loser paying the $50,000 to the BEF to help young US players.

How's that for some high rolling, Bill?

And this is not a mouth bet.

I've been wrong about 90-degree shots before and I'm willing to be shown I'm wrong here and pay for it.

 

[mr3cushion]

I'm posting a, 'back-cut bank shot,' how does one play this bank?

 

[mr3cushion]

And if anyone feels they can make the shot I diagrammed above (which I say is not possible) in 20 shots, we can bet $50,000 a side with the loser paying the $50,000 to the BEF to help young US players.

How's that for some high rolling, Bill?

And this is not a mouth bet.

I've been wrong about 90-degree shots before and I'm willing to be shown I'm wrong here and pay for it.

NOT much, you see, you're talking to someone that has bet quite a bit more than that in Detroit on a single game of 3C! I'm NOT impressed!

BTW, 20 shots for a shot YOU say is impossible! YOU will NEVER get arrested for gambling!

If "I" WIN, the cheese goes in my pocket!

But,I'm curious, where would this take place?

 

[ChrisinNC]

I thought the description was clear enough but here is a diagram with details.
View attachment 502383

One of my recent articles for Billiards Digest has a similar proposition shot but with the 1 ball one ball to the right and outside english is recommended.

If this shot you diagram here in the attachment above is a proposition shot, using inside english, just curious how many shots/attempts would the shooter be allowed to make this a fair/even wager to execute successfully one time?