I believe what he is saying is that Dr Dave will not have a biased opinion. He will conduct his experiments and reveals the results to us. A sponsored player will ham up the product because that's what they are PAID to do.
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I believe what he is saying is that Dr Dave will not have a biased opinion. He will conduct his experiments and reveals the results to us. A sponsored player will ham up the product because that's what they are PAID to do.
Dr. Dave, imo does not care what cue I buy. Like myself, he does not gain nor lose anything regardless which cue "john doe" buys or doesn't buy. He has been putting homest info out in a scientific way but still relates to pool players of all levels.
It's a personal thing, it's a simple business decision where you want an educated but unbiased opinion.
Imo, dr. Dave fits the bill for that need. As a matter of fact, if he did a test comparing revo and becue and the becue came out winner in the deflection...... I would most likely buy a becue for my next cue.
And yes, I most certainly would say it to svb. Why?.....well, it's a business decision and personal feelings are not considered in any business transaction I perform.
I do my best to do business on facts, not opinions. Sometimes we don't have much choice but if we do, well, it would I'll advised to not take the unbiased review.
I hope you understand that and I'm sure you do.
Rake
Well I dont have any problem with this statement and i understand it fully. It was the former one of yours that bothered me a little as it sounded little bit as you kinda looked down upon sponsored players as some kind of inferior breed..thats the problem with internet discussions in general where one cant see/hear the emotion with which the statements are said/written.
Smoke cleared, nothing to see here 
:thumbup:Not necesarily. If I remember correctly back when SVB got sponsorship offer from Cuetec Shane insisted he had to test drive their cues first to consider that offer. And it was only after he found how well cuetec cues play for him that he accepted. And Shane is not paid to "ham up the product", he is paid to be the best ambassador of Cuetec brand he could possibly be by winning tournaments and acting like a role model, I really see a difference there. And indeed he succeeds in that department
When it comes to show those who are interested to see the comparison in LD properties of some popular shafts on the market and such the simple and same tests will be used as Dr. Dave showed in his video I don't see any problem if the player has any sponsorships until he just shows in the video the same shots used to compare. What is more important is the person making the shots has a consistent stroke and repeats the same shots in the video. In the end it is up to the viewers if they see the difference and believe in what they see, isn't it?
For example after watching all the videos with Marek playing I can't remember one where there was any talking but mostly doing while some good music playing...ahh... ok there was a parrot making some comments :thumbup:.
So my guess if there will be people asking to show for example the comparison of such shafts he may have: Mezz ExPro, Revo 12,9 mm, Prime-M 12,00 mm and 12,5 mm he might do the favor and do this for the reasons some users can't believe in for whatever their reasons.
When it comes to me I can trust to what I hear from him just because... and I'm glad to know the opinion about some new products coming out and when I have possibility to see the performance...so many years of playing and teaching the game I guess I'm able to have my own opinion about what I see. So it may be the case with the others:thumbup:
For example after watching all the videos with Marek playing I can't remember one where there was any talking but mostly doing while some good music playing...ahh... ok there was a parrot making some comments :thumbup:.
So my guess if there will be people asking to show for example the comparison of such shafts he may have: Mezz ExPro, Revo 12,9 mm, Prime-M 12,00 mm and 12,5 mm he might do the favor and do this for the reasons some users can't believe in for whatever their reasons
. When it comes to me I can trust to what I hear from him just because... and I'm glad to know the opinion about some new products coming out and when I have possibility to see the performance...so many years of playing and teaching the game I guess I'm able to have my own opinion about what I see
. So it may be the case with the others:thumbup:
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When SVB was younger he used Joss and Schon to win. If he didn't think that a Cuetec would get the job done he wouldn't have switched. Sure $$ was involved but he wouldn't endorse something that didn't allow him to play well.Not necesarily. If I remember correctly back when SVB got sponsorship offer from Cuetec Shane insisted he had to test drive their cues first to consider that offer. And it was only after he found how well cuetec cues play for him that he accepted. And Shane is not paid to "ham up the product", he is paid to be the best ambassador of Cuetec brand he could possibly be by winning tournaments and acting like a role model, I really see a difference there. And indeed he succeeds in that department
Finally had a chance to hit some balls with Shane's cuetec CF (carbon fiber) last night and was really impressed with how it played, it felt solid, I liked the thin white ferrule and it didn't make the tink sound like my Revo 12.9 does.
After playing with the same George cue w/universal brand LD shaft for the past 15 years or so, I've been looking for a new shooter. Started out with the Becue Prime pro taper w/white painted shaft which I liked but I prefer not to use a glove so like others had issues with the stickiness after a while. I did play better with the Becue and traced it back to the benefits for me of using an open bridge more, which was necessary with the sticky shaft. I have the new Becue Prime M on order, which has been backordered due to an issue with the titanium supplier who provides the joint material. Overall, I really like the Becue concept and am looking forward to the new "M" version.
In May I won some money in Vegas at VNEA (slots not pool
) and picked up a 12.9 Predator Revo, it has been my main player since then. Plays great, solid hit and very low deflection. Personally I'm not a fan of the sound the cue makes when striking the cueball and overall I don't seem to have the "feel" with the cue I've had with some others. But hey, just won a small casino bar box tourney with it this past weekend, which is one of my better finishes over the past couple years. Overall, I like do like it.
Last night I had a chance to play with Shane's Cuetec CF and player cue setup, no extension, and was really impressed with the hit. It was very easy for me to adjust to and within a few shots I wasn't even thinking about the cue any longer. To me it felt solid and I didn't noticed the "tink" I get with the Revo. It also seemed to have good feedback. In comparison, for my preferences the feedback was better than the Becue original which is the most solid hitting cue I've ever played with, almost too solid hitting where it feels a bit dead. One other thing I noticed was the carbon fiber design on the Cuetec seemed perfectly symmetrical in design as opposed to my early Revo which has quite a few blotchy spots. I also tried the new Cuetec jump cue and was impressed, very very light weight. I shot 5 shots jumping over a full ball at a distance of one ball with 4 good hits, pocketing 3, which is better than I typically do with my current Predator Air II. Overall, I'm highly impressed with the new CF Cuetec line and in my opinion if someone is in the market for a new shaft or cue the new Cuetec might be waiting another 6 weeks for.
After playing with the same George cue w/universal brand LD shaft for the past 15 years or so, I've been looking for a new shooter. Started out with the Becue Prime pro taper w/white painted shaft which I liked but I prefer not to use a glove so like others had issues with the stickiness after a while. I did play better with the Becue and traced it back to the benefits for me of using an open bridge more, which was necessary with the sticky shaft. I have the new Becue Prime M on order, which has been backordered due to an issue with the titanium supplier who provides the joint material. Overall, I really like the Becue concept and am looking forward to the new "M" version.
In May I won some money in Vegas at VNEA (slots not pool
) and picked up a 12.9 Predator Revo, it has been my main player since then. Plays great, solid hit and very low deflection. Personally I'm not a fan of the sound the cue makes when striking the cueball and overall I don't seem to have the "feel" with the cue I've had with some others. But hey, just won a small casino bar box tourney with it this past weekend, which is one of my better finishes over the past couple years. Overall, I like do like it.Last night I had a chance to play with Shane's Cuetec CF and player cue setup, no extension, and was really impressed with the hit. It was very easy for me to adjust to and within a few shots I wasn't even thinking about the cue any longer. To me it felt solid and I didn't noticed the "tink" I get with the Revo. It also seemed to have good feedback. In comparison, for my preferences the feedback was better than the Becue original which is the most solid hitting cue I've ever played with, almost too solid hitting where it feels a bit dead. One other thing I noticed was the carbon fiber design on the Cuetec seemed perfectly symmetrical in design as opposed to my early Revo which has quite a few blotchy spots. I also tried the new Cuetec jump cue and was impressed, very very light weight. I shot 5 shots jumping over a full ball at a distance of one ball with 4 good hits, pocketing 3, which is better than I typically do with my current Predator Air II. Overall, I'm highly impressed with the new CF Cuetec line and in my opinion if someone is in the market for a new shaft or cue the new Cuetec might be waiting another 6 weeks for.
You know-not all people are a55holes
also i choose carefully who to trust. And i definitely dont trust your ability to use logically correct arguments based upon your last post so I guess that concludes our discussion. Have a nice day
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You know-not all people are a55holes
Have a nice day.
I trust Shane more when he was using Joss and was not getting paid to use it .
Cuetec dumped Earl and then gave Shane an endorsement deal .
If Cuetec wasn't paying Shane, he wouldn't use their cues .
And when Allison Fisher claimed fiberglass-coated shafts had lower deflection, I bet some actually believed her.
Not that I’m a fan of cuetec or care about player endorsements when I buy a cue but I do believe he was playing with the cuetec r360 long before they started paying him.
Shane tell you that?
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I´ve played a lot of shafts in the past (314², Z², HP-II, Revo, WX900)......
I can tell you, the shaft which has the lowest deflection is the WX900......okay, it has a conical taper with 12,0mm G2-Soft-Tip......but it has definetely lower deflection than the Revo-Shaft (12.4) and even lower deflection than the Z² Shaft.
I can tell you, the shaft which has the lowest deflection is the WX900......okay, it has a conical taper with 12,0mm G2-Soft-Tip......but it has definetely lower deflection than the Revo-Shaft (12.4) and even lower deflection than the Z² Shaft.
Looks like Jacoby just announced that they are taking orders on a cf shaft coming in February. Believe it will be $475, looks almost identical to the cuetec and close specs.
In my recent testing, I found no difference between the Revo and Z2:
NV J.12 - How to Select a Pool Cue, Cue Ball Deflection, Carbon Fiber, Revo vs. Cuetec
Regards,
Dave
Not necesarily. If I remember correctly back when SVB got sponsorship offer from Cuetec Shane insisted he had to test drive their cues first to consider that offer. And it was only after he found how well cuetec cues play for him that he accepted. And Shane is not paid to "ham up the product", he is paid to be the best ambassador of Cuetec brand he could possibly be by winning tournaments and acting like a role model, I really see a difference there. And indeed he succeeds in that department
I am pretty sure from SVB talking about about how he ended up with the Cuetec, a friend gave him the cue to try, he played well with it. After that Cuetec did the sponsorship deal with him. I'm sure he then worked with Cuetec to get the shafts and cue setup properly for his use.
The members of this forum are not very likely to try stuff just because some pro is using the product, how many good players bought the old Cuetec fiberglass stuff because Earl and Alison were endorsing Cuetec then? I can't think of anyone I played with that was past D or C level that had one.
I don't have access to a WX900 or any of the other shafts people have asked me to test here, on Youtube, and on Facebook. However, a main point of my video is that anybody can easily do the tests on their own to evaluate or compare any shafts. When you get a chance, do the "natural pivot length" test for the WX900 and let us know what you find. If it has less CB deflection, it should have a longer natural pivot length.
Thanks,
Dave