Strokes and deflection question.
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The CB has a contact time with the tip of 0.001-to-0.003 seconds.
So for the stroke to influence the deflection, the cue would have to be changing speed during those couple of milliseconds; otherwise, it is pure physics of CB-mass versus tip-mass--which indicates no is the correct answer. Or just barely if one wants to be generous.
Well, it depends how you apply English too.
Refer to Dr Dave's site.
Refer to Dr Dave's site.
To apply english hit the CB offcenter.
There are different ways to angle the cue/stroke the correct amount to compensate for squirt - but they're really just different ways of getting to the same place.
Dr. Dave's site is a good suggestion.
pj
chgo
How does science explain that Mike Massey can draw the ball so far
Does he apply the english differently ?
Does the .01 second or whatever work different for him and why?
What is stoke and why don't I have one?
I used to know a guy with a slip stroke he could really stroke the ball,Jerry Trig
Really pretty stroke,I tried to copy him and actually drew my ball way better but
I couldn't control it
Jimmy Moore also had a slip stroke,have you ever seen him spin his rock?
Does he apply the english differently ?
Does the .01 second or whatever work different for him and why?
What is stoke and why don't I have one?
I used to know a guy with a slip stroke he could really stroke the ball,Jerry Trig
Really pretty stroke,I tried to copy him and actually drew my ball way better but
I couldn't control it
Jimmy Moore also had a slip stroke,have you ever seen him spin his rock?
He hits it low and hard. No secrets. No mysteries.
It’s just not as easy as it sounds.
pj
chgo
The more off center you strike the cue ball (left or right spin) the more the cue ball will deflect off line, assuming you are eliminating swerve entirely by keeping your cue absolutely level with the table surface throughout the entire stroke. Honestly I'm not positive if the speed/pace of the stroke affects the amount of deflection, if anyone knows?
A good player with a really good stroke is going to be capable of hitting a given shot harder, while still controlling the tip position and aim of the shot, than a player with a lesser stroke. Hitting it harder will produce more deflection.
Certain types of strokes might result in somewhat more cue elevation at contact than others. More elevation means more swerve, and swerve goes in the opposite direction as deflection, so this can have the appearance of decreasing deflection.
Also top players with excellent strokes control their tip position more precisely than lesser players, and can use more extreme amounts of side spin without miscuing. More extreme amounts of side spin will produce more deflection.
So there are a lot of specific ways the stroke affects the variables that do influence deflection, but if you mean the same cue, same speed, same elevation, and same tip position, then you're going to have the same amount of deflection regardless of the stroke technique used.
Lol, you say this like it's a mystery. "Science" has had this explained since before Mike Massey was ever dreamed of; he hits the ball hard (harder than you realize) with his tip in the right place (low).
No mysteries about slip strokes either; slip strokes are loose strokes, loose arms and wrists tend to move a little quicker than tight ones, and quick means hard. Like Massey, they're hitting the ball harder than you think.
There is no magic in pool, nor advanced physics. The physics of pool is extremely basic entry-level stuff; any question phrased "how does science explain..." implies a real lack of understanding of this concept.
Yes. Depends on the stroke.
What "different kinds of strokes" are you talking about? And how do they change the amount of squirt?
pj
chgo
Gerry The Ghost (via hos DVD) says "Keeping the tip on the cue a little longer" (I believe he said that, years ago watching it). I know that isn't what happens but it does help me draw longer and easier when that is in the mind...
Aka:
Better player play better than them that is worser at the playin
I am sure that is what you meant to say, yeah?
Thinking about longer tip/ball contact time probably makes him accelerate smoothly rather than jerking his stroke, which helps him hit the CB more accurately.
Good job recognizing that his visualization helps even though it's not reality.
pj
chgo
But how do you know you draw longer on a given shot, just coz you have a specific thought in mind?
You can't test that same shot without the thought.
Attachments
For those interested, here are relevant resources:
“Type” or “Quality” of a Pool Stroke
Stroke Acceleration
Stroke Follow Through
Swoop or Swipe Stroke
Light vs. Tight Pool Grip
Cue Tip Contact Time
Enjoy,
Dave
Nope I don't know, But I do know that when I do I tend to stroke smoother and draw easier. It's most likely just in my head. But it is something that the Old Old-Timers thought I'm guessing.
Pete