No Deflection

erhino41 said:
I'm not them. The easiest thing to do to rile someone up is to insult their intelligence.

How long do you think you are keeping the cue tip in contract with the cue ball?

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Im all for progression.

I don't have the tools to measure exact times. From what I read there is a range that has been observed. I would assume what I feel is short would parallel the short observed times, what I feel is long would be measured on the long interval, the medium somewhere in the middle. I bet there are strokes that can stay on the ball shorter and longer than I am capable. At first I thought what was making the ball do what I felt was related to light and heavy overall pressure but oddly broke it down to time on the ball.
 
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nodeflection said:
I don't have the tools to measure exact times. From what I read there is a range that has been observed. I would assume what I feel is short would parallel the short observed times, what I feel is long would be measured on the long interval, the medium somewhere in the middle. I bet there are strokes that can stay on the ball shorter and longer than I am capable. At first I thought what was making the ball do what I felt was related to light and heavy overall pressure but oddly broke it down to time on the ball.
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You broke it down to "time on the ball", yet you also admit that you have no "tools to measure exact times". I don't believe one stroke will keep the tip on the ball for any longer or shorter time period than any another stroke. A soft tip, however, can increase contact time when compared to a harder tip.

Consider this: A 19oz cue stick has a mass more than 3 times the cb. When it comes crashing in the cb isn't going to hang around anymore than that initial impact force allows, which is anywhere from about 0.0008 to 0.003 seconds. You can finesse the stroke, twist or swoop it or whatever, and it may feel like something special is happening, but the cb reacts to that initial impact and is gone.
 
BC21 said:
You broke it down to "time on the ball", yet you also admit that you have no "tools to measure exact times". I don't believe one stroke will keep the tip on the ball for any longer or shorter time period than any another stroke. A soft tip, however, can increase contact time when compared to a harder tip.

Consider this: A 19oz cue stick has a mass more than 3 times the cb. When it comes crashing in the cb isn't going to hang around anymore than that initial impact force allows, which is anywhere from about 0.0008 to 0.003 seconds. You can finesse the stroke, twist or swoop it or whatever, and it may feel like something special is happening, but the cb reacts to that initial impact and is gone.
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Well stated ... and quite correct.

Anyone who questions these facts, or who wants to improve their understanding, can refer to the following pertinent resources:

cue tip contact time

cue tip hardness effects

grip tightness effects

stroke "type" and "quality"

swoop/swipe stroke effects

follow through effects

cue flex and vibration effects

what causes squirt (CB deflection)

shaft endmass and stiffness effects

All of this stuff has been well researched and tested over many years by many people. It is factual ... not anecdotal or opinion-based.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
nodeflection said:
If anyone else could get it to work. I have ooooooone person besides me and not counting.
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How can anyone get it to work if you don't say how it's done or show anyone?

This thread reminds me of trying to talk to a flat earther, at some point you just give up and let them live in their own reality since they can't hurt anyone with whatever they believe, true or not.

Here is what science shows, on video. Yea well that is all wrong, but I won't explain it or show you why, so there, I'm right, nya nya nya! You are all just a bunch of low deflection shills in pay of Predator, there is no curve!
 
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BC21 said:
You broke it down to "time on the ball", yet you also admit that you have no "tools to measure exact times". I don't believe one stroke will keep the tip on the ball for any longer or shorter time period than any another stroke. A soft tip, however, can increase contact time when compared to a harder tip.

Consider this: A 19oz cue stick has a mass more than 3 times the cb. When it comes crashing in the cb isn't going to hang around anymore than that initial impact force allows, which is anywhere from about 0.0008 to 0.003 seconds. You can finesse the stroke, twist or swoop it or whatever, and it may feel like something special is happening, but the cb reacts to that initial impact and is gone.
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I have no measurements for exact time. I base my assumptions on how the balls are reacting and that is it.
 
hang-the-9 said:
How can anyone get it to work if you don't say how it's done or show anyone?

This thread reminds me of trying to talk to a flat earther, at some point you just give up and let them live in their own reality since they can't hurt anyone with whatever they believe, true or not.

Here is what science shows, on video. Yea well that is all wrong, but I won't explain it or show you why, so there, I'm right, nya nya nya! You are all just a bunch of low deflection shills in pay of Predator, there is no curve!
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Open a door. Shut it while your hand is on the door for two seconds. Shut the door with your hand on it for 4 seconds. Explain to me how u do that.
 
nodeflection said:
Open a door. Shut it while your hand is on the door for two seconds. Shut the door with your hand on it for 4 seconds. Explain to me how u do that.
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Could you possibly be any thicker?

Seriously, you have GOT to be troll-LOLn.

I call bullshit of extra-ordinary magnitude that you passed a calculus class or attained a 700 as your fargorate.
 
nodeflection said:
What I assert has nothing to do with Dr. Dave and his work. His work is as relevant as it has been.
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Actually, many of the claims and explanations you have posted are in direct conflict with well-research and tested facts clearly presented and backed-up on the resource pages linked above. When you can find the time, I recommend you look through all of the material on these pages. It might help you better understand why you are getting so much "push-back" here.

Regards,
Dave
 
BC21 said:
You broke it down to "time on the ball", yet you also admit that you have no "tools to measure exact times". I don't believe one stroke will keep the tip on the ball for any longer or shorter time period than any another stroke. A soft tip, however, can increase contact time when compared to a harder tip.

Consider this: A 19oz cue stick has a mass more than 3 times the cb. When it comes crashing in the cb isn't going to hang around anymore than that initial impact force allows, which is anywhere from about 0.0008 to 0.003 seconds. You can finesse the stroke, twist or swoop it or whatever, and it may feel like something special is happening, but the cb reacts to that initial impact and is gone.
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It has nothing to do with the tip. Although it will shift the range. It can be accomplished with any stroke.

You give me a range 0.0008 to 0.003. You are saying for a particular player every shot struck stays on the tip the exact same amount with no variation? That seems less likely to me than what I am saying.
 
dr_dave said:
Actually, many of the claims and explanations you have posted are in direct conflict with well-research and tested facts clearly presented and backed-up on the resource pages linked above. When you can find the time, I recommend you look through all of the material on these pages. It might help you better understand why you are getting so much "push-back" here.

Regards,
Dave
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I am saying

A. It is possible to have the tip stay on the ball different amounts.
B. While doing so if the timing is correct the cueball takes a straight path when struck off center due to the shaft rebounding.
C. If the timing isn't correct the cueball still deflects which is what your research and others is trying to cover.

I went into swooping and stroke paths as side notes to the original idea which were not connected to the deflection conversation.
 
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how does one quantify the tangential congruencies with relation to the hypotnal triangulation that surrounds this apartment
 
Black-Balled said:
Could you possibly be any thicker?

Seriously, you have GOT to be troll-LOLn.

I call bullshit of extra-ordinary magnitude that you passed a calculus class or attained a 700 as your fargorate.
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I passed Calculus II with an A+ as well after I gained college credit for calculus in high school with a score of 5 on the AP Calculus exam for high school students. Just over 700 and climbing.

It seems you can't bully me out of my own thread how thick are you.
 
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nodeflection said:
I passed calculus two with an A+ as well after I gained college credit for calculus in high school with a score of 5 on the AP calculus exam for high school students. Just over 700 and climbing.

It seems you can't bully me out of my own thread how thick are you.
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Uhhh...bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

Or prove it?

But you can't prove your claims here, coz they are- wait for it- scroll down


You guessed it!


BULLSHIT
 
nodeflection said:
I am saying

A. It is possible to have the tip stay on the ball different amounts.
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You might think it feels that way, but the tip is in contact with the CB such a small amount of time (for any shot hit with any type of stroke by any person), that it is not possible to make any practical uses of any such difference (even if they did exist).

nodeflection said:
B. While doing so if the timing is correct the cueball takes a straight path when struck off center due to the shaft rebounding.
C. If the timing isn't correct the cueball still deflects which is what your research and others is trying to cover.
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If you swoop into the CB, you can effectively change the aim of the shot (as with a pre-stroke BHE pivot), and impart a little extra sideways CB motion, to compensate for CB deflection and send the CB straight. Again, this is clearly demonstrated and described in the videos and illustrations on the swoop/swipe stroke resource page. But this has nothing to do with the incredibly-brief tip contact time (or any possible minute changes in tip contact time).

I recommend you "do your homework" and go through my resource materials. That will probably enable much more fruitful conversation (or even end it entirely).

Enjoy,
Dave
 
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nodeflection said:
I am saying

A. It is possible to have the tip stay on the ball different amounts.
B. While doing so if the timing is correct the cueball takes a straight path when struck off center due to the shaft rebounding.
C. If the timing isn't correct the cueball still deflects which is what your research and others is trying to cover.

I went into swooping and stroke paths as side notes to the original idea which were not connected to the deflection conversation.
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A is correct, but unless you are causing a foul, that difference is too short for a human to measure enough to try to do something in that fraction of a second. Speed of contact affects the speed of the cueball way more than time of contact of tip to ball. In every legal hit, the cueball is way off the tip before the shaft moves again past the first contact.

B is just a mass of words without meaning, you are using terms that mean something but mixing them together in a sentence that has no meaning. What is this timing, what are you timing here?

Since what you are saying goes against decades of research and a thousand years of physics study as well as tons of slow motion video, you only need to do one thing to show this effect. Take a video. Shoot a ball with side-spin table length from the spot to the opposite rail so people can see how you are hitting it and what is the result. As I said about my claim that I can shit from my thumbs, and as you totally whiffed on the absurdity of it, one can make any claim they want without actually having to demonstrate it, then just stick together some words that seem to mean something when they don't to try to show they know what they are saying. Without a video, science and logic wins.
 
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More bullshit from you!

A. What method have you used to measure contact time?

B. Illogical. Think topspin vs backspin of tennis hit.
There is no reason to believe the physics of a pool ball/ cue would be ant different.
C. If we don't agree or realize the outcome, we've done something wrong. Rrrrright.
nodeflection said:
I am saying

A. It is possible to have the tip stay on the ball different amounts.
B. While doing so if the timing is correct the cueball takes a straight path when struck off center due to the shaft rebounding.
C. If the timing isn't correct the cueball still deflects which is what your research and others is trying to cover.

I went into swooping and stroke paths as side notes to the original idea which were not connected to the deflection conversation.
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