It was a joke.
Which cue setup has more deflection?
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It was a joke.
FYI to those interested, detailed information for why cue extensions do not change CB deflection characteristics of a shaft or cue, see:
shaft endmass and stiffness effects
what causes squirt?
Now, if you add weight with an extension and use the same stroke for a given shot, there will be more CB speed and less swerve (but the same amount of squirt), so the net CB deflection will be more. For more info, see:
CB deflection speed effects
Enjoy,
Dave
Wouldn't your bridge length have an effect? If you use an extension, you are usually increasing your bridge lenght, because you need the extra reach for a particular shot.
When you are finding the pivot point of a cue, you are looking for the point where swerve cancels the squirt at a given speed, is it not? So using that for a basis, bridge length should affect squirt?
Nope.
No, you're looking for the pivot point where your cue's angle in one direction = the squirt angle in the other direction (compensating for squirt only, not for swerve).
pj
chgo
... not on the amount of squirt the shaft produces. See:
squirt bridge length effects
Bridge length does not affect squirt; but if you are aiming in a way that relies on a certain bridge length (e.g., BHE and/or FHE) and you change bridge length, then you are correct, the aim will be wrong. But it will also be wrong if you change anything else (speed, shot distance, cue elevation, conditions, etc.).
Regards,
Dave
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Why was everything else bullshit? The OP's question looked to be fairly clearly answered and explained.
You have far more control over your own hand than you do a piece of leather, plastic, or metal. The pressed leather rest head is the easiest to control out of those as the shaft doesn't slide as much. Plastic heads are the worst in my experience.
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Here is the correct answer which I normally reserve for my pay website which all the top players subscribe to.
Guitar players sometime use a device called a capo which is a bar placed across a guitar fingerboard. The capo changes the tone and pitch of the guitar.
On a pool cue the grip hand acts as a capo. Adding length to the butt has less impact on true balance point - point between the tip and grip hand - and tonal quality of the cue because you are only adding weight behind the grip hand. Adding length to the shaft changes the taper of the cue and true balance point and therefore the pitch/tone and playability of the cue.
Bottom line if you like the way the cue plays but for some reason want to add length add it to the butt. If you don't like the way the cue plays and for some reason want to add length add it to the cue in front of where you grip.
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Now I'm more confused then ever. This is in your description of pivot point..
"Effective pivots lengths. (compensating for the combined effects of squirt and swerve) for a wide range of shafts (for a given shot speed and distance) can be found in the shaft comparison table."
But now you are saying bridge length doesn't effect squirt? I have more homework to do.
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Don't matter..
I can't tell a difference. I have extensions, long ones short ones and shafts that are suposed to deflect less then others. Problem is my cue balls are haunted and some times that damn things just refuse to let me control them at times
They don't seem to care what my plans are and go where they want to go. Irritating for sure.
I can't tell a difference. I have extensions, long ones short ones and shafts that are suposed to deflect less then others. Problem is my cue balls are haunted and some times that damn things just refuse to let me control them at times
They don't seem to care what my plans are and go where they want to go. Irritating for sure.
Actually, I’ve shot with Earl’s Gulyassy cue. I think the main cue was 64 inches, and it weighed about 17 oz or so. Not heavy at all.
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You don’t think that altering the pivot point will feel like a different amount of deflection when aiming?
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So your definition of pivot point is null and void? The links you gave seem to clash with the pivot point definition. That's the confusing part.
The "effective" pivot length and the "natural" pivot length are different things.
The "natural" pivot length is where you'd pivot the cue to compensate for squirt only - it's always the same place on the shaft.
The "effective" pivot length is where you'd pivot the cue to compensate for squirt and swerve - a different place on the shaft for each shot because swerve depends on speed, distance, cue elevation, etc.
pj
chgo
Of course pivoting at a different length doesn't work if that's your method of adjusting your aim to compensate for squirt (backhand english).
But I was talking about whether bridge length could directly affect the amount of squirt generated - no matter how you compensate for it.
pj
chgo