Is there a safety here?

jrctherake said:
Good point. I understand.

When ONLINE I sometimes forget that we aren't always on the same level or at least close.

I have a bad habit of doing that.

I wouldn't strongly advise an APA 5 to play safe on that shot.

Eventhough, IMO..just like the bank....people are making the safe out to be way harder than it actually is.

Jeff
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I think the safe that Andrew illustrated a page or 2 ago is beyond easy. Not sure there'd be much disagreement there.

The problem with it is that it opens the door for your opponent to respond and sometimes, respond in a manner that causes the safety to result in a loss.
 
jrctherake said:
Good point. I understand.

When ONLINE I sometimes forget that we aren't always on the same level or at least close.

I have a bad habit of doing that.

I wouldn't strongly advise an APA 5 to play safe on that shot.

Eventhough, IMO..just like the bank....people are making the safe out to be way harder than it actually is.

Jeff
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I think a lot of it has to do with not being able to see the layout in person,Table drawings make it tuff.

The arguing/discussing makes it fun though :)

The only thing I 100% disagree with in this entire thread is playing off the bottom rail into the 8, by bumping the 8 toward the 11, most of us might just pick up the CB and hand it to the 5, say good luck and let them deal with the 8/11.
 
jrctherake said:
Good point. I understand.

When ONLINE I sometimes forget that we aren't always on the same level or at least close.

I have a bad habit of doing that.

I wouldn't strongly advise an APA 5 to play safe on that shot.

Eventhough, IMO..just like the bank....people are making the safe out to be way harder than it actually is.

Jeff
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Jeff;

I can't speak for others but I would agree with you that executing the safe is not very hard but I'm not seeing it as a federal penitentiary kind of lockup safe. I believe that all of the escape options previously mentioned plus the poss RAM shots and even a poss 11 straight in the side if whitey ended up that way all tell me that the high % bank is the higher % play.

And yes, the player's handicaps certainly also weigh into it.

best,
brian kc
 
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Better lie after banking, if ball had hung...interestingly enough.
 

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I think some of the problem is that the balls are larger in proportion to the table in the example. One of the considerations is how far is the 8 ball off of the rail, etc. It is still a tough call but base it on your confidence.
 
jrctherake said:
I mostly play solo and have a couple friends that are ballpark 625ish speed. Those people, I'm not as worried about.....

But.....ever so often I play with guys that are 690ish all the way up to 740ish and those fellows can and WILL put a pack on my a55 if I don't play very SMART. This group of players will torch me if I don't have a very good saftey game.

Sure, I'm capable of putting packs together but, it does me absolutely no good to put a 3 pack together and then sell out only to have a 4 or 5 pack returned.

Only time I play fish is when I'm playing myself...

Jeff
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We’re seeing things from opposite points of view, Jeff.
The better the player, the more I’ll go for a shot...might be the best one I get.
...if I’m playing a weak player, I’m more liable to play safe, I figure to win those battles.

In the 90s, I played a 9-ball tournament in Detroit...didn’t know my first opponent...
..he won the flip and broke like King Kong...impressive....he had a long shot on the 1-ball,
but it would get him shape on the 2-ball, and not necessarily sell out if he missed.
....he ducked instead...hooked me good enough that I just locked up two balls and handed
whitey to him....muttered to a buddy, “He can’t win, he’s too afraid of losing.”
...I beat him 11-2
 
There always a safety but you weren't going to get a better shot at the 8 than you had right there.

Sent from the future.
 
pt109 said:
We’re seeing things from opposite points of view, Jeff.
The better the player, the more I’ll go for a shot...might be the best one I get.
...if I’m playing a weak player, I’m more liable to play safe, I figure to win those battles.

In the 90s, I played a 9-ball tournament in Detroit...didn’t know my first opponent...
..he won the flip and broke like King Kong...impressive....he had a long shot on the 1-ball,
but it would get him shape on the 2-ball, and not necessarily sell out if he missed.
....he ducked instead...hooked me good enough that I just locked up two balls and handed
whitey to him....muttered to a buddy, “He can’t win, he’s too afraid of losing.”
...I beat him 11-2
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I understand what your saying and yes, a person can play safe to a point to where they can't win.

You have to know when to hold em....and fold em..

All I know is that I have went toe ro toe with josh Roberts, Danny Smith, Casper, Warren K, Hennessy and lots more mid-level to lower-level pros and got the cheese with no weight and my safes were usually what made the difference.

Again, I understand what your thinking and I agree........you HAVE TO go for a shot sometimes or it will be a loss.

Nothing personal to you or anyone else but, I'm starting to think I may play little stronger than you guys realize.

Either way, it's good.

Jeff
 
jrctherake said:
I understand what your saying and yes, a person can play safe to a point to where they can't win.

You have to know when to hold em....and fold em..

All I know is that I have went toe ro toe with josh Roberts, Danny Smith, Casper, Warren K, Hennessy and lots more mid-level to lower-level pros and got the cheese with no weight and my safes were usually what made the difference.

Again, I understand what your thinking and I agree........you HAVE TO go for a shot sometimes or it will be a loss.

Nothing personal to you or anyone else but, I'm starting to think I may play little stronger than you guys realize.

Either way, it's good.

Jeff
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I would love to see a video of you playing a match Jeff. Do any exist?

Thanks
 
jrctherake said:
I understand what your saying and yes, a person can play safe to a point to where they can't win.

You have to know when to hold em....and fold em..

All I know is that I have went toe ro toe with josh Roberts, Danny Smith, Casper, Warren K, Hennessy and lots more mid-level to lower-level pros and got the cheese with no weight and my safes were usually what made the difference.

Again, I understand what your thinking and I agree........you HAVE TO go for a shot sometimes or it will be a loss.

Nothing personal to you or anyone else but, I'm starting to think I may play little stronger than you guys realize.

Either way, it's good.

Jeff
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No, I think a few of us know you can play lol.
 
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