Thoughts About Ralph Greenleaf And Alcoholism

Alcoholism and drug dependency are bedfellows of fame. One day you are on top of the world , the next day you are a turd.
Some people are even delusional enough, to just skip the being famous part, and dive right into the addictions, to save time and effort.
If women who try to tell people what to do and show their arses all the time, are called "Karens" .
I want to coin the name for the people who are obnoxious drunks and druggies , and even though they never accomplished anything in their lives , they consider themselves "woked up" I will refer to them from here forward as "Jimmies"
Crawling into Greenleafs life, to find out what made him tick, is about as good of a way, as any , to waste time. Beats joining him on the bar stool , but just barely.
To the person writing the book, best of luck , I imagine you had a reason and a passion for why you picked Ralph but to be honest , I will be amazed if you sell 50 copies. Nothing to do with your writing ability ,it's just that only die hard pool players will know who it is, or care, and most pool players won't give you 8 dollars for a 10 dollar bill.
 
I had a brother that dies (about 10 years ago) due primarily to drinking (a 1/5th of Rum per day).........a ruined and wasted life after a pretty good start.......

We have a society that is wound up so tight that a lot of people exceede their limits of tolerance to it and need some release. This give them several outs a) fast suicide, b) slow suicide via alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling, womanizing, .....

The real question is if our societ was not wound up so tight, how many more people would "get through life" without haveiing to devote their time and energies to self destruction?

A second question is "why is access to the medical people, capable of helping people in this category, expensive to the point that nobody in that category can afford access" ??
 
I had a brother that dies (about 10 years ago) due primarily to drinking (a 1/5th of Rum per day).........a ruined and wasted life after a pretty good start.......

We have a society that is wound up so tight that a lot of people exceede their limits of tolerance to it and need some release. This give them several outs a) fast suicide, b) slow suicide via alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling, womanizing, .....

The real question is if our societ was not wound up so tight, how many more people would "get through life" without haveiing to devote their time and energies to self destruction?

A second question is "why is access to the medical people, capable of helping people in this category, expensive to the point that nobody in that category can afford access" ??
If you look into or know police officers, many go down the self destructive path of alcoholism. They have to have a way to unwind from the stress, and alcohol is the legal way to do so. It's very sad that good officers, who are in it for the right reason end up on this path. You can only see the life leave so many 5 year old's eyes as you hold them and comfort them after a car crash before your mind is destroyed. PTSD is real, but the stigma behind it and being "weak" ie males cant show emotion, prevent many from seeking real treatment. The bottom of a bottle treats it, but it also sneaks up until the point your life is destroyed.

Addiction starts as a way to cope and basically turns into slow suicide at some point. Our world is so disconnected from "real" living that it's no wonder addiction is such a thing.

EDIT: Second question is easier. Greed and money. We've made health care into a corporation and corporations do not have morals or care about the plight of humans. They care about shareholder value and the almighty dollar. They are also great at brainwashing people into believing this is a good thing, or that only the lazy can't afford healthcare. Those bootstraps are a great panacea.
 
To the person writing the book, best of luck , I imagine you had a reason and a passion for why you picked Ralph but to be honest , I will be amazed if you sell 50 copies. Nothing to do with your writing ability ,it's just that only die hard pool players will know who it is, or care, and most pool players won't give you 8 dollars for a 10 dollar bill.

Agreed. The book is a passion project. I'll give it away for free (ebook) or near cost (paperback). There are 10 people in the world interested in this topic, but I like history and wanted to fill a gap in the record.
 
Agreed. The book is a passion project. I'll give it away for free (ebook) or near cost (paperback). There are 10 people in the world interested in this topic, but I like history and wanted to fill a gap in the record.
More power to you. Revelations engender interest. When people discover history, they sometimes become more curious, and thus eventually enamored with the associated details & activities. Kids are still falling in love with classic cars.
 
Agreed. The book is a passion project. I'll give it away for free (ebook) or near cost (paperback). There are 10 people in the world interested in this topic, but I like history and wanted to fill a gap in the record.
You've got a 'big' audience here, for sure.
 
Yeah - it's a socially accepted norm with massive profit.

A friend of mine who was trying to get sober was explaining that people think it's easy because they're not conscious of its influence.... so I pictured myself being an alcoholic and trying not to drink. I couldn't believe how much a part of society it is.

Everytime an America leaves their house they are bombarded with alcohol ads... in every convenience store window, every gas station, every radio station, every billboard, every bar-of course, etc.... It's EVERYWHERE we turn. Then you get home and it's all over TV and the internet.

Imagine being a cocaine addict and a cocaine salesman is on every street corner and every TV stateion, radio station, magazine and website.
Have you given any thought to Prohibition? That might work, don't you think?
 
I'm sorry, there was a glitch and I'm almost done.
Wait right here.
There was a glitch all right, and it starts and ends with you. Now, let's talk about your choice of Avatars. Is that your before or after photo? Either way, it's a very interesting choice. It speaks to a somewhat demented mentality. And you confirm that with each new post.
 
Agreed. The book is a passion project. I'll give it away for free (ebook) or near cost (paperback). There are 10 people in the world interested in this topic, but I like history and wanted to fill a gap in the record.

Actually, I believe another author has been working on a book about Greenleaf for several years.

JD Dolan, a member here and published writer, told me about it at the DCC years ago. The last time I saw him, just a couple of years ago, he said it was at his editors. I remember he told me one story about researching for the book and visiting the site of Greenleaf's pool room, long gone. He went in to ask about it and the folks on the first floor told him the pool room had been a walkup and they allowed him to go up and look around. As I recall he said he found an old light up there, obviously for a pool table, and when he asked downstairs they said he was free to take it.

Imagine: a light from Ralph Greenleaf's pool hall. I thought that was pretty cool.

Lou Figueroa
 
There was a glitch all right, and it starts and ends with you. Now, let's talk about your choice of Avatars. Is that your before or after photo? Either way, it's a very interesting choice. It speaks to a somewhat demented mentality. And you confirm that with each new post.
I believe that is a character from the Lord of the Rings( a movie and book if unfamiliar) my old lady talked me into watching it a few weeks ago, snooze fest IMO, I made it about an hour. Surprised it is one of the most popular movie franchises in history.

This was an interesting thread.
 
Actually, I believe another author has been working on a book about Greenleaf for several years.

JD Dolan, a member here and published writer, told me about it at the DCC years ago. The last time I saw him, just a couple of years ago, he said it was at his editors. I remember he told me one story about researching for the book and visiting the site of Greenleaf's pool room, long gone. He went in to ask about it and the folks on the first floor told him the pool room had been a walkup and they allowed him to go up and look around. As I recall he said he found an old light up there, obviously for a pool table, and when he asked downstairs they said he was free to take it.

Imagine: a light from Ralph Greenleaf's pool hall. I thought that was pretty cool.

Lou Figueroa
Thanks Lou. I did see the AZB thread and Facebook page for JD's book but couldn't tell if anything became of it. I suspect his editor (and publisher) may have been unwilling to invest in such a niche topic.

Our sport has an amazing history but unfortunately a lot of it has been lost to time. Here in Kansas City we have a famous table at Raytown Rec, left over from the 1920s, that was used by all the great champions for the big matches that were played locally. Greenleaf, Layton, Crane, Ponzi, and Mosconi all played on the table. But for the eagle eye of Raytown Rec's owner, the table would have been lost in someone's basement.


I suspect the famous tables at Bensingers, Ames, the Strand, etc., were mostly lost as well.
 
I believe that is a character from the Lord of the Rings( a movie and book if unfamiliar) my old lady talked me into watching it a few weeks ago, snooze fest IMO, I made it about an hour. Surprised it is one of the most popular movie franchises in history.

This was an interesting thread.

The movies were disappointing. The books are simply incredible.

The problem with the movies is the pacing is terrible. It makes it feel like it is just one battle after another, everything tries to be larger than life, it is shouting at you for hour after hour. The plot is one dimensional and everything is CGI and there is no emotion to be found. I would say comparing the books to the movies would be like comparing a quiet week of hiking in the mountains to a two hour down-hill skiing race.

The books are very subtle. They are quiet, paced slowly, and most of what happens is in your imagination. Even when we meet the balrog a lot is left in mystery. To this day many fans debate whether it had wings or not because it used vague phrases to describe it. Gandalf was very powerful yet used magic exceedingly sparingly. The books were based on calm dialogue, world building, and the gradual unfolding of an epic adventure. It is poetic and each word is deliberately placed and satisfying to digest.

I am reading the LOTR to my children for the second time. The first time the youngest was too young and the other two barely kept up so now we're all in for the second run through. It takes us about a year to read together which is about how long Frodo is on his quest. Often, when the weather is nicer, we'll go for a walk in the woods and find a place to read surrounded by trees or rivers. We feel like we are walking along with him because we're not the same people as when we started.

Everyone should spend some time in middle earth.
 
I grew up playing in an old pool hall in Los Angeles where many an old timer played, One old player told me Greenleaf played him eight no count one pocket and he never won. He also told me Ralph was never sober during that time which was directly after WW11 around 1946-47. He told me many a player had to take Ralph back to his hotel room due to his drunkedness and tuck him in. Ralph was so revered by his fellow pool players that he never had to worry about getting robbed or left homeless as they took care of him. Lastly, Ralph was the best looking man to ever have worn a suit and tie.
 
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