Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit
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I saw Nick's comments on FB as well as many HOF interviews from BD. They accept and congratulated JS on his official high run. All of them were tickled pink about it, had nothing but praise for the accomplishment and advised how hard it was to do something like that. And when exactly did I or anyone else say Cranfield's was not legit. It's undocumented and not really provable, but we all know he had high runs topping 400 on many occasions that was witnessed. And if he wanted to run 1000 he probably could have but didn't for whatever reason. JS run does not diminish Cranfield.
And then there are the few who are giving back handed compliments to JS and believe now it does not count do the conditions, someone else had a higher run, blah, blah, blah.
We wonder why pool is such a joke, someone can't break a record without the whining to start. As if anyone outside of this small niche sport cares about it.
My gosh, Mosconi held the record even with the Cranfield "record" still out there. Nobody said Mosconi's record was not legit because of the undocumented record of Babe. But, because JS surpassed Mosconi, now it's no longer the "record". Seems petty to me and many others.
Nothing changes the facts, JS is the new record holder. I can live with that. I can live with the handful of doubters who can't run 400 themselves. No skin off my teeth either way because your opinion does not change the record, not even in the slightest.
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Your right concerning there were higher runs just not documented. As far as me being a doubter I'm certainly not one. JS is one of best 14.1 shooters ever for sure but everytime there are 400 plus run there has been special conditions he did them on. Cranfield ,Mosconi and all others had no special table conditions and that's the point. As for the hall of famers they had no knowledge of special conditions at all and when a few found out they either kept pretty quiet and let it go or voiced their disapproval privately. As for people making comments that can't run 400 than besides me you need to include Sigel and Varner as their high runs are 337 and 339 as mine is also 339. What is your high run?
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Well, it's easy to "assume" these HOF'ers kept quiet and voice their disapproval privately. Because we'll never know if that is true or not. Plus, they actually watched the run at one of the "shows" put on. So, I'm pretty sure they were aware of the conditions of the runs as well.
Sigel and Varner didn't run 400. They didn't need to, they got to the HOF without it
As far as my high run, it's 3, but I'm pretty sure I'll surpass that by the time this pandemic is over
Well I know much more but wont post to much about what the HOF players said. Sigel and Varner and many others never ran 400 because they didn't have a complex or major ego. Without any doubt both of them could have run 600/700/800. I asked Nick before how many times he ran over 200 and he said almost never why would I do that as I trained myself mentally and physically to run 150 because that's all Tournaments went too. I thought that was the best explanation concerning the best players running balls. I did ask Nick how many times he ran 150 and he said thousands of times but he never kept count. My point is only about 4 players ever tried for constant high runs. This will be a much needed change with my event soon and my goal is to help pool and give back not to take only from the sport like others. All players at my event will get paid nicely for their time and runs and a suitcase of cash for any records broken shall that happen. Also women will be invited to break their high runs and the womens high run record also.Well, it's easy to "assume" these HOF'ers kept quiet and voice their disapproval privately. Because we'll never know if that is true or not. Plus, they actually watched the run at one of the "shows" put on. So, I'm pretty sure they were aware of the conditions of the runs as well.
Sigel and Varner didn't run 400. They didn't need to, they got to the HOF without it
Keep selling that chalk it's very good stuff and I should order more soon.
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I never knew so many players were/are capable of running 400/600/800.
Someone should have told John, he could have saved a lot of time.
Oh, wait, they either didn’t feel like doing it, or if they did it and didn’t bother to document it. Now I truly understand, it’s no big deal. Thanks for clearing that up for us mere mortals mr. pro.
Someone should have told John, he could have saved a lot of time.
Oh, wait, they either didn’t feel like doing it, or if they did it and didn’t bother to document it. Now I truly understand, it’s no big deal. Thanks for clearing that up for us mere mortals mr. pro.
Bobby, please tell us about the pockets on the table(s) you will use. It would be nice if you could give the four specs Dr. Dave uses to calculate his Table Difficulty Factor -- (1) table size (i.e., 7', 8', 9'), (2) pocket mouth size, (3) mouth-throat difference, and (4) shelf depth. If you are not familiar with how this Table Difficulty Factor is determined, it is explained here: https://billiarduniversity.org/documents/BU_table_difficulty_factor.pdf. Obviously, this is not all there is to how difficult a table plays, but it is still good information.
IMO knowledge and *endurance* factor greatly into any quest to exceed John's 626 and Willie's 526.
Whoever does it, will -- like both of them -- almost certainly be under the age of 50 and fit enough to readily enable the intensely-focused multiple hours of sustained excellence that are central to these astonishing Straight Pool achievements.
These feats absolutely require a Straight Pool specialist (like JS and WM) -- with many, many years of knowledge about 14.1 nuances to run 44+ plus racks.
Future record-setters must have the requisite obsession + endurance to pursue ultra-high run records whether or not substantial monetary rewards exceed the psychic rewards of holding the record for a period of time.
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Whoever does it, will -- like both of them -- almost certainly be under the age of 50 and fit enough to readily enable the intensely-focused multiple hours of sustained excellence that are central to these astonishing Straight Pool achievements.
These feats absolutely require a Straight Pool specialist (like JS and WM) -- with many, many years of knowledge about 14.1 nuances to run 44+ plus racks.
Future record-setters must have the requisite obsession + endurance to pursue ultra-high run records whether or not substantial monetary rewards exceed the psychic rewards of holding the record for a period of time.
Arnaldo
It's not easy to to create ideal 14.1 conditions and then record the efforts.
Plus, until now, there hasn't been much incentive.
Lou Figueroa
BC can do as he wishes but I think that's overkill.
Besides, what would we compare it too? Mosconi's table? Cranfield's? JS's?
Lou Figueroa
Well, I wish you well. It would be fun to have more "competitions" of any kind in pool. Imagine if the record changed every year. I'd be OK with that. Same with a HR record, the more records the better. It also creates more interest. Heck, Barry Bonds may have the HR record but he's certainly not everyone's "favorite" player by a long shot
If you like the chalk I'm pretty sure your buddy Nick can hook you up
I have no doubts about your opinion that Nick could have run the "moon" if he wanted to !
IMO, if someone were to run 700 or 800 or 1000 today, no one will care. The only reason people care about the JS run is the Mosconi 526 is super well known and stood for 50 plus years as the "official high run".
The mainstream media will not cover a new "official" high run like they did the JS626.
Even this thread the only reason its still going is because of obsession by one person. If that were removed, the JS626 would be long forgotten even by us diehards. Its the same as Appleton's 200 record in exhibition. Yes we remember it, but no one really cares. It almost never comes up in any pool conversation.
The mainstream media will not cover a new "official" high run like they did the JS626.
Even this thread the only reason its still going is because of obsession by one person. If that were removed, the JS626 would be long forgotten even by us diehards. Its the same as Appleton's 200 record in exhibition. Yes we remember it, but no one really cares. It almost never comes up in any pool conversation.
Many people remain passionate about 14.1.
If you don’t care you can easily disregard this thread and the ones that will follow highlighting BC’s event.
As to the mainstream media, who knows. They’re going to do what they’re going to do. But that doesn’t mean we won’t reach out to them, particularly if the record is broken.
Lou Figueroa
They're all records by one standard or another.
But since there's been reoccurring mention of the articles in the NYTimes and BD, that one would probably be somewhere to start.
Lou Figueroa
Ok, people I've been researching this and it's true, it's not real at all, DH quest for truth inspired and convinced me! Now stay with me, because this both runs deep and goes all the way to the top! In the early nineties, in a joint operation between US Army intelligence and the Latvian national guard, a plot was hatched to get Richard Nixon reelected as president. The idea was to lauch an excercise machine called the ab-flex which had tiny needles that injected you with lsd. They couldn't get the law changed, and when the second Nixon clone died, they abandoned the whole project. Unfortunately, it had the unintended consequence of changing Russian agricultural legislation, as the surplus Ab-flex machines got sent there. The whole thing was forgotten about, until someone came up with an Ellen DeGeneres brand of mens brassieres. These were also dispensing lsd, but now in an attempt to change rail rubber specifications on pool tables in the BCA equipment rule section. The Russian agricultural rule change meant that the tables with those specs could not be sold there. Of course, Ellen Degeneres is just a shaven St.Bernard dog that they taught to walk on it's hind legs and to read cue-cards. The show is a front, used by Pfizer to increase the sale of George Foreman grills and thus increase heart medication sales. So now you see how it all ties together? Pfizer, Ellen DeGeneres, US Army intelligence and the Latvian national guard are trying to discredit Mosconis record to ease the process of getting the rail rubber changed. John Schmidt is actually a Mossad operative, working as a double agent for the Swedes, but who was then recruited by the international Cabal. It's all so obvious. If you look at the picture JS is actually the guy in the latvian uniform (working deep undercover) with a mask on and CW is actually in the American uniform, posing under the cover name "Wilson".
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They would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for this meddling kid!
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