Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

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JB Cases said:
So we have established that only some people's opinions are of value to you. Pretty sure John isn't too concerned about yours either.


Again, when something is of value to you then you ought to be willing to pay for it. Dear John, how much will it cost me to see the full unedited video of your run? That's what you should go with.


Oh really? Then by that logic mosconis record is not of value to you. You are accusing John and everyone who claims to have seen the run of fraud yet you accept that some people in 1958 swear they saw mosconi run 526 balls.


How much are you willing to pay for the product of John's work? Honestly I don't think you would gladly give John anything other than insults but that's just my opinion.



Is that some way of claiming you're honest? I hope you are but whether you are or not is not relevant to John's record.



No? Seems that the bca is good with it. Is there another governing body in america more suited to verify such an accomplishment?

I have no business with John or anyone involved in his project. I just don't think that you have standing here. It's not like you are harmed by the record being broken. You could easily eclipse him though if you were to go run more balls. What are the odds of that happening?


Um, you're welcome???

Sheep? Cancel culture? Find pain?



Is this some kind of clever wordplay attempt? If so its Tom in my opinion.


Show me only applies if one cares whether you agree or not. If your opinion means nothing then no obligation exists to satisfy your desire.

Erase history? How, is mosconi's record going to be wiped from the world's archives somehow?



I don't think you understand the term cancel culture or how it doesn't apply here.

I told you that one option open to you is to attempt to sue for viewing privileges. Nothing is preventing that except maybe funds and an attorney willing to attach his name to such a suit.


I would bet high that you have not been contacted by anyone's lawyer regarding your desire to see the video. Keep defaming people and you might though.


Again you are not using these terms in the right context. No one is trying to cancel you Danny. You are free to express your desires, your jealousies, your hatred, and any defamatory accusations that you want to. Has anyone deleted your content here in this subject? Have you lost any opportunity to play because of your words here? Has anyone stated that they wish you were barred from pool?

I haven't seen it but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if some of the readers here wouldn't be happy to know you were no longer involved in pool. That's their right just as it is your right to express your opinion.



Ooh what kind of snake oil? Js high run gloves?


Well I would say that the odds of you getting to see it based on your actions are very slim indeed.

The odds of me playing you anything anywhere are less than that.

Now if you change your approach, say offering Schmidt enough financial incentive or offering me ridiculous weight that I can't refuse then the odds likely improve dramatically that either event can happen.

Obvoiusly I cannot speak for John Schmidt but for myself I will take 18-4 which is about the same as pro players offer to players my speed for big amounts and consider it for a large amount. I am not nearly as wealthy as some of the poker players but I could probably find $20,000 in my couch cushions to play you getting that weight.

I want to be clear Danny that I have an immense amount of respect for your playing ability. I don't know that 18-4 is enough for it to be a fair game between us but I can't bring myself to ask that I go to even less and still play pool.

I don't really care whether you or anyone else gets to see John's run unedited. For a match between us however I am perfectly fine with a live stream open to everyone for free.

If that is something you want to do we can start the planning now.
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u kinda long winded (that is coming from a long distance runner) Not sure their brand of snake oil? I could be mistaken about the cancel culture - I just know that attempting to steal American Sports History Records is an attempt at 'cancelling out' American Sports History Culture from one of the greatest Pocket billiard Players my eyes have ever seen. The main opinion of value here is mine, what I mean is - I choose to ask to see unedited footage with my own eyes (if it even exist) - when I see the unedited footage - I will give j.s his due accolades - till then he can keep selling his snake oil highlight reel 626 show. They are Claiming Mosconi's true 526 has been surpassed, yer right at least about one thing - I really am not involved in pool, I am involved in Billiards - this includes Pocket Billiards. As far as Willie Mosconi's 526 - don't try to put the fix' on it - it ain't broke - nor has it been broken.
I am not accusing anyone of fraud, Mosconi's record does have value to me - due to the fact that the video technology was not available in his day - as it is today. Theuy should have made the claim that j.s. ran 626 - without video footage, then it would be just a fish story - open for debate. To CLAIM there is a run of 626 - without a skid or miss - caught on camera - then two years later - no unedited footage available for public to view = CLAIM/ busyness' Failure. If u really think that myself and many others are in the wrong - to ask to see unedited evidence of the CLAIM - yer Wrong. As Lou stated so eloquently 'extraordinary claims - require extraordinary evidence'. I don't know u j.b cases - if u really think there needs to be some sort of auction for the first copy of the unedited 626 - yer just dodging the truth - very shameful j.b cases. As far as u and myself playing One Pocket, I will offer u a ball since yer asking for a spot. But yea it's prevalent that the people in charge of promoting the 626 highlight reel are asking for a spot too, they do need another spot.
 
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justadub said:
No, I was never present at a Mosconi exhibition. I'm not of the age to have gone to such. So you are saying everyone, at every Mosconi match, paid rapt attention to every shot? They didn't turn away for hours? Ok.

Would it be nice to see the JS run, sure. The guys from the BCA have seen it. Apparently they aren't as qualified to judge it as spectators in a pool room 50+ years ago. Even working for a pool organization...
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Yes.

If you had been there you’d understand.

Lou Figueroa
 
gerryf said:
But if you were at a Mosconi exhibition, how would you know what other people were doing? Weren't you watching Mosconi?
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Was never lucky enough to be in a front row so I could always see what was going on in the room.

Lou Figueroa
 
Danny Harriman said:
u kinda long winded (that is coming from a long distance runner) Not sure their brand of snake oil? I could be mistaken about the cancel culture - I just know that attempting to steal American Sports History Records is an attempt at 'cancelling out' American Sports History Culture from one of the greatest Pocket billiard Players my eyes have ever seen. The main opinion of value here is mine, what I mean is - I choose to ask to see unedited footage with my own eyes (if it even exist) - when I see the unedited footage - I will give j.s his due accolades - till then he can keep selling his snake oil highlight reel 626 show. They are Claiming Mosconi's true 526 has been surpassed, yer right at least about one thing - I really am not involved in pool, I am involved in Billiards - this includes Pocket Billiards. As far as Willie Mosconi's 526 - don't try to put the fix' on it - it ain't broke - nor has it been broken.
I am not accusing anyone of fraud, Mosconi's record does have value to me - due to the fact that the video technology was not available in his day - as it is today. Theuy should have made the claim that j.s. ran 626 - without video footage, then it would be just a fish story - open for debate. To CLAIM there is a run of 626 - without a skid or miss - caught on camera - then two years later - no unedited footage available for public to view = CLAIM/ busyness' Failure. If u really think that myself and many others are in the wrong - to ask to see unedited evidence of the CLAIM - yer Wrong. As Lou stated so eloquently 'extraordinary claims - require extraordinary evidence'. I don't know u j.b cases - if u really think there needs to be some sort of auction for the first copy of the unedited 626 - yer just dodging the truth - very shameful j.b cases. As far as u and myself playing One Pocket, I will offer u a ball since yer asking for a spot. But yea it's prevalent that the people in charge of promoting the 626 highlight reel are asking for a spot too, they do need another spot.
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That would be Carl Sagan. I would be surprised if you know who that is.

The evidence has been presented to and accepted by the people who matter.

Just because you can't do something doesn't mean others can't.

You offering me a ball is as ridiculous as your absurd crusade to discredit John's record.

All it takes is $50, do you need a loan, I mean gift?

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JB Cases said:
That would be Carl Sagan. I would be surprised if you know who that is.

The evidence has been presented to and accepted by the people who matter.

Just because you can't do something doesn't mean others can't.

You offering me a ball is as ridiculous as your absurd crusade to discredit John's record.

All it takes is $50, do you need a loan, I mean gift?

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ha ha - all it takes is $50.00 to see their edited theater footage (highlight reel) yer right u need 18-4 or whatever u were begging for. I prefer to view the REAL' unedited footage (if it even exists) before the highlight reel'. I need nothing from u, there is nothing u can teach me - other than how to be corrupt. Yer word that there is unedited footage and or the highlight reel is good' is about the same as a warm bucket of dr. fauchi cdc spit - diseased and or bad. Honesty is a huge part of why I won against j.s. - last two times I have competed with him in 14.1 - cheaters never win. Also cheaters/hustlers/ deadbeats/cowards - ask for spot unabashfully and often. Those who try to sell lie's to the public - do indeed need a huge spot. The American public will not accept or 'Adopt' (the sandal fits) that Mosconi's run has been surpassed - without first seeing unedited proof of the claim - that some how became newsworthy journalism? I would lay heavy odds that j.s's camp never produces any Real game time footage of this elusive 626, kinda funny how charlie williams helped to get the 526 cue with predator cues - I think the gamblers/hustlers call that - 'laying a spread' and then now this. Let's see if they come out with a 626 cue - before unedited footage is available to 'Open Public' and knot' just the 'semi public' - the chance of that happening are as good - as u playing one pocket against Lou or myself - without a spot. I won't give nytime/bca,c.w./j.s or any other poor artistic engineer's - a spot either - Willie's 526 stands.
 
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Danny Harriman said:
ha ha - all it takes is $50.00 to see their edited theater footage (highlight reel) yer right u need 18-4 or whatever u were begging for. I prefer to view the REAL' unedited footage (if it even exists) before the highlight reel'. I need nothing from u, there is nothing u can teach me - other than how to be corrupt. Yer word that there is unedited footage and or the highlight reel is good' is about the same as a warm bucket of dr. fauchi cdc spit - diseased and or bad. Honesty is a huge part of why I won against j.s. - last two times I have competed with him in 14.1 - cheaters never win. Also cheaters/hustlers/ deadbeats/cowards - ask for spot unabashfully and often. Those who try to sell lie's to the public - do indeed need a huge spot. The American public will not accept or 'Adopt' (the sandal fits) that Mosconi's run has been surpassed - without first seeing unedited proof of the claim - that some how became newsworthy journalism? I would lay heavy odds that j.s's camp never produces any Real game time footage of this elusive 626, kinda funny how charlie williams helped to get the 526 cue with predator cues and then now this. Let's see if they come out with a 626 cue - before the any actual unedited footage is released - that would be almost as comical as u playing one pocket against Lou or myself - without a spot.
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If it can be determined that the only "edit" to the tape JS is showing is speeding up the play somewhere in the 400's then that's a pretty good in my mind. I would still like to see completely unedited, but I'm not sure speeding up the play even qualifies as an edit.
 
Cornerman said:
Just got back from watching the 626. They made a nice production, and it was very enjoyable to watch. Listening to John sharing his rollercoaster of emotions put this historic feat in the spectacular zone for me. Lot of things had to go right (in his life and on this run). There were a dozen times the run could have ended on a bad roll.

Yes, the video is 626 continuously run balls by John Schmidt and so much more. There are no cutaways, and only a single camera view for the entire run. Whatever people want to say about it, oh well. To everyone else, If this traveling show comes to your town, go see it!
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They aka (cancel culture) made a nice 'production' - does that sounds suspicious to anyone else? Interesting that fred never mentions here anything about the term 'new record'. I am not sure he can unless they release unedited footage - my belief is there is NO unedited footage - or we would have seen it years ago. Nytimes/predcues/c.w./j.s./and the two puppets at the bca - all bad Actors in my view. Their yellow journalism has not gone unnoticed here. Nuthin to fred over just thought I would mention it en passant. if u ever read this charlie williams (draggin' promotions) - yer fighting style has been noticed - I will label it as cowardlike style and or business model. Folklore and highlight reel's - for hollywood - unedited footage is for realist.
 
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Cancel Culture is as American as apple pie. It lives at the intersection of free speech and capitalism.

Remember when they tried to cancel French Fries? KISS?
 
book collector said:
I can't believe I was so bored I posted in this thread, obviously I have totally lost it , please disregard previous transmissions
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Actually - if u believe in highlight reels - instead of Real unedited footage - you HAVE 'lost it'. Believe it or not.
 
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xradarx said:
The original recorded volume should have been saved and a copy made for editing. Without this step, there can be no unedited recording for viewing.
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Thank you for your contributions to this thread Radar, your post (unable to find) about how j.s. is holding the world hostage was solid - my favorite so far. Adios and better days for our Pocket Billiard media typo's'.
 
lfigueroa said:
So you're saying you never saw a Moscini exhibition, right?

And thinking there should be unedited video released, which exists, when someone is claiming a world record, is not nit-picking.

Lou Figueroa
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I concur, we are NOT nit picking - just cause we would like to see unedited footage of the 626 claim. I guess he was tired of calling us conspiracy theorist's - justuhdudd is a truly pitiful figure on this forum - but I never blocked him - he does have some small amount of tact. He has the right to his opinion - but to refer to us as 'conspiracy theorist's' (as he did in beginning of this thread) and now it's 'nit pickers' just cause we choose to see unedited footage - before accepting their claim - is ludicrous and laughable.
 
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Danny Harriman said:
ha ha - all it takes is $50.00 to see their edited theater footage (highlight reel) yer right u need 18-4 or whatever u were begging for. I prefer to view the REAL' unedited footage (if it even exists) before the highlight reel'. I need nothing from u, there is nothing u can teach me - other than how to be corrupt. Yer word that there is unedited footage and or the highlight reel is good' is about the same as a warm bucket of dr. fauchi cdc spit - diseased and or bad. Honesty is a huge part of why I won against j.s. - last two times I have competed with him in 14.1 - cheaters never win. Also cheaters/hustlers/ deadbeats/cowards - ask for spot unabashfully and often. Those who try to sell lie's to the public - do indeed need a huge spot. The American public will not accept or 'Adopt' (the sandal fits) that Mosconi's run has been surpassed - without first seeing unedited proof of the claim - that some how became newsworthy journalism? I would lay heavy odds that j.s's camp never produces any Real game time footage of this elusive 626, kinda funny how charlie williams helped to get the 526 cue with predator cues - I think the gamblers/hustlers call that - 'laying a spread' and then now this. Let's see if they come out with a 626 cue - before the any actual unedited footage is released - that would be almost as comical as u playing one pocket against Lou or myself - without a spot.
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Ha! Ha! Danny, still trying to spread your nonsense.

I knew from comments in Vegas that some players considered you a bit of a flake, but just recently found a link discussing a TAR challenge to you and John Schmidt to play 14.1.

Here's a post from 2012

Mar 18, 2012
The Chinchilla said:
I agree with those that said John would be up for this, and Danny wont. Pool egos are a strange thing Lee (trying to answer your question) :)

Lee Brett responded:
i agree sir they are... But imo Danny don't play he got little balls and needs to grow some


Eight years later!! Ha! Ha! Danny don't play....

Ha! Ha!
 
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