US Open 9-ball updates thread..
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Was it successful? Is it still successful? I'm asking because I want to know.
Again I'm not arguing that the pros should make more money. You keep bringing that up over and over again. I get it! We all get it and I think we all agree with that. But what are you going to do when the top Pro start retiring and you have nobody to replace them?
Imagine United States full of schools, high schools, all playing pool against each other. Yes that is a pipe dream, but imagine it was possible. How many top players would come out of those schools and eventually enter your top tier professional pool program? Some of them could be in your program within 10 to 15 years. Some maybe sooner.
How many serious pool players are there per capita in the US? 500,000? Now quadruple that if you get young people interested. Dont you think pro and elite pro numbers would go up, CONSIDERING YOU GET THE PAY RAISED AS IT SHOULD BE?
Study that question carefully before you answer, and then tell me why grass roots organization would not pay off? After all, it is organization that you say pool is lacking (correctly I might add). An organized training program for young players is logical.
You seem to forget pool is an INTERNATIONAL sport, played in over 150 countries worldwide, NOT just in the United States.
Good for them but I get the impression the pool academies in Europe are more regimented. I think it would great in North St Louis where I used to live because those kids need a safe alternative to the other things in that area.
In the Dominican my understanding is those kids sign a contract and then live and attend school at the academy. The family is happy because they get money. The kids get an education and play baseball.
Yes, the pool tables i donated to the Houston school system worked well to build an after school program, designed to help keep kids off the streets, and out of trouble.
Here's the thing about trolling High schools for the next Joshua Filler or SVB. I'd be willing to bet America has the most dropout of school pool players there is, a lot of which are illiterate. I'd personally rather see a jobs training program in schools to help prepare our youth for a working class future, rather than see them go into a sport so well fitted for the degenerative gamblers they're bound to become, our youth in America has enough problems facing them as it is once they graduate, or drop out.
Let our youth choose on their own if they want to pursue a career as a professional pool player, then they can face the same weeding out process EVERYONE else has had to go through before they learned to improve their skills. My biggest concern is for those who choose to take that road, seem to fall off into the drugs and gambling associated with that lifestyle. There's room at the top for my guess is about 500 players with a Fargo rate of 800 and higher, Worldwide, once theirs a reason to train as hard as a player can to belong in that group. Those that just want to go along for the ride, will soon enough get pushed out of that group by better players coming in, beating those ride along players down, and out of the elite Pro division.
With advertising dollars, there's no reason more than one event can take place at the same time as another event. Its a big world, spread the events out in other countries, at the same time, unless you're worried about running out of Pro's!
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I never mentioned spectators in this thread. I did mention ROI. So how do the event organizers and broadcasters make their ROI? What is the break even window? I'm curious as to how the top down demand works.
My guess is that for every youngster who gets into poker and realises that it can be profitable and has the skills and the discipline to succeed, there are many others with the same skills and discipline who never build a big enough bankroll to become a pro. If it was so easy, everyone with a reasonable degree of competency in accountancy would be doing it.
99% of poker players are not paid a salary. What they earn is what they win, just like in pool. The carrot for them is that the prize money in the major poker tournaments can easily be in the high six figures and even seven figures. I can play in a tournament with a $1,000 entry fee at the WSOP where first place is over $400,000! I chopped one five ways that had a $2,000 entry fee and the low end of the payout was 100K. In the big tournaments with $10,000 entry fees, first prize might be over $1,000,000!! That's the big lure of poker, the chance to make one score that will change your life. Dozens of poker players have achieved this dream. Unfortunately many of them squander their newfound wealth in the casino or elsewhere. Two who have done well and held onto their money are Nick Schulman and John Hennigan, both of whom were at the U.S. Open (one a player and one a commentator). Each of them have made far more monery than any pool player in history. Look it up if you don't believe me.
There is no pot of gold in pool, and even the best players have to grind out a living, although a few of them have decent endorsement and sponsorship deals.
Correct! The vast majority of poker players are losing players, and even some big name players are constantly looking for a stakehorse to put them in the next event. They typically sell pieces of their action ("piecing themself out") to raise the money to enter. Often they are playing for only a twenty or twenty five percent share in what they win.
In order to understand that, you'd first need to understand who the advertisers are. Exposure is their ROI, the more the exposure the more they're willing to spend on advertising. Think Geico Insurance would be interested in spending 2 and a 1/2 minutes worth of advertising dollars on major pool tournaments if they got a YEAR of advertising included for their ROI.??
I know the answer to that question, as I've spoke to their head of advertising!
Based on the methodology used in 2019 — which doubles the reported statutory expense to reflect a 50% quota share reinsurance agreement established in 2014 between GEICO and National Indemnity Co., another Berkshire subsidiary — GEICO spent an estimated $2.26 billion on advertising in 2020, making it a top spender.Jun 24, 2021
According to a Palm Beach Post report, those 30 seconds cost GEICO a whopping $4.5 million – or $150,000 per second. In general, insurance companies spend so much, they outstrip every other American industry by nearly 8%.Jun 23, 2015
Not much different than pool!
In high school we had 2 pool tables.
At Junior college we had 4 Gandy Big G’s
At Sac State we had a full pool room was 12-15 9’ tables. Some odd ball no name junk. They were bad.
point is in school for me from 81-87 I had access to pool tables at school. There was nothing organized to help anyone interested in pool. That was the problem.
At Junior college we had 4 Gandy Big G’s
At Sac State we had a full pool room was 12-15 9’ tables. Some odd ball no name junk. They were bad.
point is in school for me from 81-87 I had access to pool tables at school. There was nothing organized to help anyone interested in pool. That was the problem.
And it wouldn't really be any different today, nobody really cares about kids getting into pool, most just like the thoughts of it, but wouldn't really lift a finger to do shit about it. If you need an example, just go into any Boys & Girls club, take a look at the pool tables, or for that matter, YMCA.
Germany has a great youth program in some areas. Filler is living proof of that, I seen other kids there that played super strong at 12-14 years old.
I firmly believe a youth program is the BEST long term solution to lots of problems, not just pool.
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Fatboy
America really don't care about its youth, just look at the school shooting, and the kids eating tide pods, snorting condoms through their nose and pulling them out through their throats, as Don King would say, "Only in America"
We have the worst education and programs.
Game over for us in 30-50 years
Good pointThat long??
And there are many, many such very productive programs in countries beyond our shores, all over the world.
Arnaldo
Biado a lock hall of famer even if he died tomorrow
3 World Championship appearances 2 WINS
SVB one World Championship appearance 0 WINS
So if SVB is a lock and he never even won a world title how does Biado not make it with 2 already in his young career?