The Simplest Aiming Systems to Visualize and Use

[Dan White]

No, we can't, because you obviously haven't done that.

I'll stick with 99% of the planet's climate scientists, TYVM.

pj
chgo

99% aren't all saying the same thing. 100% of them get funded if global warming is real and not if it isn't. First research paper I read was back in 1998. I find most of them online now at climateaudit. If you want some examples of junk science I'd be happy to point them out in another thread in NPR.

 

[cookie man]

. Did you know you can make the same shot with different perceptions? How can one arrive at the NISL by perceiving different perceptions? Understanding that as well as understanding pivot will put you well on the way to answering Dan's question. I've led the horse to water, it's up to the horse if it wants to take a drink.

For the record, I know CTE inside out. That’s for clarification.

But you didn’t directly answer my question. Do you agree with Dan that eta with an inside pivot makes a straight in shot and only a straight in shot?

 

[boogieman]

For the record, I know CTE inside out. That’s for clarification.

But you didn’t directly answer my question. Do you agree with Dan that eta with an inside pivot makes a straight in shot and only a straight in shot?

What do you mean by "straight in?" Do you mean a cut where the OB hits center pocket on the prescribed angle that ETA dictates, or are you talking a straight in shot with no angle?

If the ball is at the correct angle as prescribed by the system, yes, it will split center pocket. If you mess up a bit, it will probably still go in. If you mess up a bit more, there's a good chance it will go in a different pocket.

I hate to give an answer without you defining what you are actually asking because without knowing what you are exactly seeing/thinking about it's very easy to appear clueless. The above paragraph will probably appear clueless because I'm guessing at what it is you're asking.

Which edge of the cue ball? Left or right. Is it a cut to the left or the right? A simple diagram would be helpful to show what your asking in order to avoid guessing and answering incorrectly.

 

[cookie man]

Looks like I hit a nerve. Will you ever explain how it works or will you continue simply to claim that it does? If you don't know how it "works," which you clearly don't, then how do you know my, or others', explanations are wrong?

The only nerve you hit is how incredibly little you know about CTE after all these years.
How it works has been explained over and over, you just can’t seem to follow the directions

 

[cookie man]

What do you mean by "straight in?" Do you mean a cut where the OB hits center pocket on the prescribed angle that ETA dictates, or are you talking a straight in shot with no angle?

If the ball is at the correct angle as prescribed by the system, yes, it will split center pocket. If you mess up a bit, it will probably still go in. If you mess up a bit more, there's a good chance it will go in a different pocket.

I hate to give an answer without you defining what you are actually asking because without knowing what you are exactly seeing/thinking about it's very easy to appear clueless. The above paragraph will probably appear clueless because I'm guessing at what it is you're asking.

Which edge of the cue ball? Left or right. Is it a cut to the left or the right? A simple diagram would be helpful to show what your asking in order to avoid guessing and answering incorrectly.

A dead straight in shot. ETA with an inside pivot according to Dan only makes a dead straight in shot. I believe it makes quite a few shots in the center of the pocket. It’s not a trick question

 

[Patrick Johnson]

99% aren't all saying the same thing.

Yes, they are - they're all saying human activity is a significant (most say primary) cause of global warming.

100% of them get funded if global warming is real and not if it isn't.

Then 100% of them get funded regardless of the cause - even right wing cause-deniers know warming is real.

pj
chgo

 

[cookie man]

Yes, they are - they're all saying human activity is a significant (most say primary) cause of global warming.


Then 100% of them get funded regardless of the cause - even right wing cause-deniers know warming is real.

pj
chgo

How many years before the world is gone?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

How many years before the world is gone?

A non-sequitur. Should I be surprised that CTErs are also climate deniers?

pj
chgo

 

[Dan White]

Yes, they are - they're all saying human activity is a significant (most say primary) cause of global warming.


Then 100% of them get funded regardless of the cause - even right wing cause-deniers know warming is real.

pj
chgo

I don't care about the politics. That's where so many ignorant people go wrong. They listen to the advocates on their side for bias confirmation. I try to stay away from that. Here's an idea. Link me to your three favorite actual scientific studies that suggests a causal link between human activity and warmer climate. Maybe that's too much to ask. Just link me to one study without serious flaws that links the two. I can link you to 20 or 30 climate research papers that are taken as the gold standard in the "climate science" community that, in fact, are junk science.

If you want to talk about what "experts" say the science shows instead of talking about what the science actually shows then you will remain as clueless as a CTE user, just to stay on topic.

 

[Dan White]

I can't speak for Stan, just my take on it. I think the mystery that was never supposed to be had to do with the limited information that Hal put out on the entire visual process.

Nope. The mystery is why you can use the same perception and get a different result depending on where the balls are on the table (the real answer is you have to make adjustments, consciously or not, IMO). Stan used that phrase, IIRC, on his kitchen video with the balls on the island.

You talked to Hal, so did I and many others. Over the phone Hal said to align center to edge with an inside tip placement, then without moving or changing the head/eye position just pivot back to CCB and take the shot. I don't know what kind of success or lack of success you had but I did and it definitely got my curiosity going. Months later, he introduced me to Shiskabob. ANOTHER mind blower. Never, NEVER was a contact point or fraction used to align (aim) the shot. It was the TIP OF THE CUE and/or FERRULE to only 3 places on the OB coupled with a pivot.
DEADLY!

You've also never ingrained it and tried using it for any length of time, have you? How do you know it wouldn't be better than what you're doing? Doesn't matter. The creator hardly uses it himself. No need to answer.

Why would I ingrain having to measure the diamonds and do math before every shot when I already know where to hit it? That would be like using my finger to read when I don't need it any more.

Because I learned the Evelyn Woods speed reading technique. I liken CTE to that compared to connecting the dots for contact points and fractions. You should try it sometime. The only thing standing in your way is your own obstinance and stinkin' thinkin'.

I did try it, many times over many years here and there. Logic said CTE was bunk but I kept an open mind and tried it anyway. Didn't work. I could make it work by doing the CTE pre shot fandance and then forget all that and just try to pocket the ball. Sometimes that worked.

CTE people would benefit from believing those of us who did it and had no success. Maybe that would help you understand what you are doing to make it work better. My thought, which you guys hate, is that the engineers and scientists at AZ largely failed at CTE because they were better at following the instructions exactly as taught. Same input equals same output.

 

[cookie man]

A non-sequitur. Should I be surprised that CTErs are also climate deniers?

pj
chgo

Never a simple answer from you

 

[boogieman]

ETA with an inside pivot

Can you say this in the technical term that is in the CTE book written by Stan? ETA is not a CTE term, if you don't use the terminology so I know what you are asking, I'm not touching this one.

ETA is too vague. What shot is it? Are you asking about a 15 degree cut? Shot 1 on page 71? If that's what you're asking then no, it will result in a 15 degree cut with an inside (R to L) pivot. I'm having to guess what you're even asking because again, you don't define what you're asking and hope I'll answer something incorrectly so you can jump on it.

Please, please define what you are asking so we can have a conversation. I have the book and have studied it. Give me a reference, page number, something.

 

[cookie man]

Can you say this in the technical term that is in the CTE book written by Stan? ETA is not a CTE term, if you don't use the terminology so I know what you are asking, I'm not touching this one.

ETA is too vague. What shot is it? Are you asking about a 15 degree cut? Shot 1 on page 71? If that's what you're asking then no, it will result in a 15 degree cut with an inside (R to L) pivot. I'm having to guess what you're even asking because again, you don't define what you're asking and hope I'll answer something incorrectly so you can jump on it.

Please, please define what you are asking so we can have a conversation. I have the book and have studied it. Give me a reference, page number,

I don’t have the book available right now. It’s actually a pretty simple question. I said no tricks. Would you use the same reference lines for a straight in shot and say a three degree cut shot? Essentially can the same reference lines be used to make balls from different angles in the center of the pocket ?

 

[cookie man]

What's to explain? Take the example of manual pivoting because it is more easily understood. If you line up cte and eta and then pivot outside this will create a particular angle whether you think so or not. If the pocket is in the right spot the shot will go. Also, isn't an eta with an inside pivot a straight in shot? If the balls happen to line up straight to the pocket then the shot is on. What if the balls are lined up to the pocket corner instead? Then you need the eta inside pivot with a little subconscious tweak.

Or Boogieman you can just reply to dans actual post as to whether he is right or wrong

 

[Dan White]

I don’t have the book available right now. It’s actually a pretty simple question. I said no tricks. Would you use the same reference lines for a straight in shot and say a three degree cut shot? Essentially can the same reference lines be used to make balls from different angles in the center of the pocket ?

Or Boogieman you can just reply to dans actual post as to whether he is right or wrong

Yes, of course you say the same eta can be used for both shots. That's the problem. You say that but then don't back it up. You just say "try it" and blah blah but never explain how it can work. 20 years and here we still are.

Maybe you can answer one: Stan said that he replaced the manual pivot with the head turn and stepping procedure in the book. However, he also changed the two reference lines. Am I remembering this correctly (honest question): eta use to mean center to edge and edge to A. But now, in the book, the eta reference lines have changed to edge to A and center to C. In other words, the cte line has disappeared and is replace by a line that is parallel to the eta line, or like 1/16" or something away from C. What's up with that?

 

[cookie man]

Yes, of course you say the same eta can be used for both shots. That's the problem. You say that but then don't back it up. You just say "try it" and blah blah but never explain how it can work. 20 years and here we still

The instructions back it up. My success along with thousands of others back it up. What could I possibly type on here to make you believe it.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Nope. The mystery is why you can use the same perception and get a different result depending on where the balls are on the table (the real answer is you have to make adjustments, consciously or not, IMO). Stan used that phrase, IIRC, on his kitchen video with the balls on the island.

I'll echo your NOPE. No adjustments necessary, consciously or not. You just don't know how to see it properly to execute it properly.

Why would I ingrain having to measure the diamonds and do math before every shot when I already know where to hit it? That would be like using my finger to read when I don't need it any more.

That is the way it's taught. So, WHAT do you use? Contact points? Fractions? Ghost Ball? Arrow? Other?

I did try it, many times over many years here and there. Logic said CTE was bunk but I kept an open mind and tried it anyway. Didn't work. I could make it work by doing the CTE pre shot fandance and then forget all that and just try to pocket the ball. Sometimes that worked.

There's where it all went wrong. No dancing, fan or otherwise. It's VISUAL.

CTE people would benefit from believing those of us who did it and had no success.

That has to be the most moronic post I've ever seen you make out of the thousands. The worldwide CTE group that got it to work by retraining their vision and thinking, now far exceeds the less than 10 who live on this forum disparaging it multiple times on a daily basis for years.

Maybe that would help you understand what you are doing to make it work better. My thought, which you guys hate, is that the engineers and scientists at AZ largely failed at CTE because they were better at following the instructions exactly as taught. Same input equals same output.

This might be the 2nd most moronic. The engineers and scientists went into it with a 100% bias. Then attempted it (or not) in a haphazard fashion a few times and said immediately in their all-knowing preconceived notions that it was bullsheet and never could work. And THAT'S a FACT, Jack.

Scientists don't impress you one damn bit when it comes to climate crisis (nor I) but all of a sudden you pull that out of your hat like it's important in the whole scheme of things for aiming a certain way (thinking outside the box) for pool. What scientist has ever done well in the pro ranks of pool?

I'm neither impressed with the scientist or the engineer when it comes to pool and aiming because every single engineer among ALL of the various disciplines in engineering does NOT carry over into what we discuss here on a pool table.

I do know a currently retired schoolteacher who did pretty damn well when playing pool in the pro ranks by winning a big tournament with top pro pool players, finishing high in others, teaching his son to have the winningest record in the history of Junior pool, teaching this visual aiming system to Pro Pool players who use it today, and have helped others all over the world.

What have you done playing in pro or amateur pool to speak of? What is your status with the PBIA as an instructor? What really gives you the qualifications and right to disparage any of what has been created and used by thousands?

Oh, I know! It's a FORUM!! A place like any other forum on the internet regardless of the subject where nobodies and wannabees, can rule and say anything they want because that's just the way it is. Freedom of speech.

 

[cookie man]

Yes, of course you say the same eta can be used for both shots. That's the problem. You say that but then don't back it up. You just say "try it" and blah blah but never explain how it can work. 20 years and here we still are.

Maybe you can answer one: Stan said that he replaced the manual pivot with the head turn and stepping procedure in the book. However, he also changed the two reference lines. Am I remembering this correctly (honest question): eta use to mean center to edge and edge to A. But now, in the book, the eta reference lines have changed to edge to A and center to C. In other words, the cte line has disappeared and is replace by a line that is parallel to the eta line, or like 1/16" or something away from C. What's up with that?

Stan has three versions of CTE. The manual pivot is not used in two of them but is used in the other one. Yes Stan has narrowed some reference lines. No big deal.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Never a simple answer from you

lol

Coming from you that's rich.

You ask when the world will end and complain that I don't try to answer. If I asked you that question you'd say "you gotta try it!".

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyInCali]

Yes, of course you say the same eta can be used for both shots. That's the problem. You say that but then don't back it up. You just say "try it" and blah blah but never explain how it can work. 20 years and here we still are.

Maybe you can answer one: Stan said that he replaced the manual pivot with the head turn and stepping procedure in the book. However, he also changed the two reference lines. Am I remembering this correctly (honest question): eta use to mean center to edge and edge to A. But now, in the book, the eta reference lines have changed to edge to A and center to C. In other words, the cte line has disappeared and is replace by a line that is parallel to the eta line, or like 1/16" or something away from C. What's up with that?

Another service pack?